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I live in a residential area in the county of eastern Washington State. When we get snow, my neighbors and I dutifully clear our driveways and wait for the inevitable snow plow. The county is charged with snow removal which means they plow both residential and rural access roads.

My problem is that when the grader clears the road it leaves a 3ft. tall, 4ft. wide berm of ice chunks in front of my driveway that I must shovel out before I can leave my house. It's a difficult, heavy-lifting job which gets worse if you can't get to it immediately after the plow leaves. And if I try to blast through it I risk getting high-centered.

I have called my county commissioner and after a couple of exchanges, he has handed me off to the county chief engineer whose attitude is that putting a "boot" on the plow blade (to carry the accumulated snow beyond the driveway) is an "expensive luxury."

How is snow removal handled where you live (no comments from those of you in Palm Springs, please) and do you have any solutions to deal with a bureaucrat with an attitude?

1 posted on 01/15/2005 8:53:11 AM PST by Snardius
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I live in Florida now, but I grew up in the snow belt of Upstate NY. That was basically what would happen to us, when the snow plow came by. IIRC, my father would use a snow blower on the driveway and, if need be, use a shovel to get the berm to a level the blower could handle. Unless we had to go somewhere by car immediately, he would wait for the plow have gone by, before clearing the driveway.
2 posted on 01/15/2005 8:58:32 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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This is pretty common. Did you just move there?


3 posted on 01/15/2005 9:00:28 AM PST by Dog Gone
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Funny you should post this because we're having the same problem in our city. crews used to plow the snow to the center of the street, leaving a big berm, but allowing people to carefully get around and to park in front of their homes. They changed the procedure this year and just plowed right down the center, leaving berms on either side of the street. This MIGHT have been all right, since the snow was fresh, but right after the plowing, the temps dropped to below zero and the hills of snow on either side of the streets froze solid. And I mean SOLID. We're talking WALLS. Thus, those who were parked on the street at the time of the plowing were unable to get their cars out, and those who were off working drove home to find big ridges of hardened snow blocking access to their homes. The city says it is presently "rethinking" the policy, in the wake of numerous complaints and more than a little auto damage as residents tried to deal with the situation. Sheesh.


7 posted on 01/15/2005 9:05:29 AM PST by JennysCool (QuarkXPress has caused an error in QuarkXPress. QuarkXPress will now close.)
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And if I try to blast through it I risk getting high-centered...

Try using det cord instead of the car.

Seriously though, it's a no-win situation. I used to try digging out the snow pile in the direction the plow would come, but it doesn't work, and I wound up shoveling twice. These days I try to get to it as soon as possible, before it freezes into ice.

9 posted on 01/15/2005 9:07:54 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Life: a continuum of significant beginnings.)
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Move to Louisiana. I can guarantee that you will never need to be plowed again.
10 posted on 01/15/2005 9:10:12 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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P S

In the snow sense I mean.

12 posted on 01/15/2005 9:11:02 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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Just curious, since I live in Kaleefornia and never been plowed in - how long would it take for a propane tank with a weed burner attachment on it to melt such a wall?


17 posted on 01/15/2005 9:15:47 AM PST by Enterprise ("Dance with the Devil by the Pale Moonlight" - Islam compels you!)
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It's going to be 79 degrees and partly cloudy in San Jose, Costa Rica today. One thing you can do while trapped behind your icewall is to surf the internet and see where you wish you lived.


23 posted on 01/15/2005 9:36:19 AM PST by Dog Gone
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26 posted on 01/15/2005 9:39:51 AM PST by cowboyway (My Hero's have always been cowboys.)
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I live in central TX, what is this "snow" of which you speak?


31 posted on 01/15/2005 10:00:18 AM PST by BJClinton (South Park Republican)
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In Wisconsin, the plows would come by and nearly bury your street parked car. At least you HAVE a driveway. :)


32 posted on 01/15/2005 10:21:02 AM PST by Bahbah
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One thing that's worked great for me over the years, is to shovel/snowblow all the way across the road, and do so several feet on either side of your property in addition to yours. Then when the plow comes by, the snow he accumulated already will be disposed of before he gets to your property, and when he goes the other way, it will happen the same way.

I'm picturing an ally here, so I don't mean if you have a real road to shovel the snow into someone else's problem. A rural road would be similar I imagine.


33 posted on 01/15/2005 10:28:49 AM PST by GopherGOPer
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The plowing to the center make good sense.

I lived in Spokane, Washington 20 years ago. When the grader came by the driveway, the grader driver dropped a device that held back the snow until he cleared the driveway.

The boot looked something like this

and this

Concerning all of the pain they cause, the local governments should invest.

I used to get up early in another snowy area. Shovel the driveway, go to work. Then come back later, and have to park in the street, while I shoveled out the berm left by the grader.

Occasionally, you will see a grader driver who will back up and take a second swipe at the driveway, pulling the snow beyond.

36 posted on 01/15/2005 11:56:05 AM PST by Dustoff45 (Voting for Spell Check online for Freepers)
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I have lived in Mass and NY (Buffalo) and this has always been the practice.

I hated it when you shoveled out the bank just to have another plow come and do it again.
It's a normal part of life here in the northeast.


43 posted on 01/15/2005 4:54:13 PM PST by The Mayor (When trouble overtakes you, let God take over)
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Happens in Lake Tahoe everyday that it snows. The Cal Trans crews couldn't give a rip. In fact it almost seems that if they could they would negotiate the plow so that it would make it as big a berm as possible.

My aunt solved the problem by putting the younger members of the family to work. They didn't have a yard work to do in the winter, so it was snow shoveling instead. My cousin (her son) started his own snow plow business that he just sold.

That might be an option to consider, just hire a snow plow business to keep your driveway clear. They will set up a contract for a flat fee for the snow season. If is barely snows you still pay, if it snows a lot, you are getting your money's worth.


48 posted on 01/15/2005 7:10:00 PM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked
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Have you tried writing the new governor? She cares.....


54 posted on 01/15/2005 7:42:53 PM PST by Drango (Tag lines must be registered before approval.)
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I know, it is a pain in the butt. My father had a quick remedy, barrel up the driveway in the 1968 Buick Wildcat, usually did the trick. B-) Any other car we had would do the trick, a 1966 Mercury, 1966 Chevy, 1961 Ford Galaxie but the 1972 Bel Air we had didn't do so well in the snow. B-) Failing that, unless you have to get somewere, as another Freeper suggested, get the snow blower out after the plow goes by. In my case, my Ford Explorer plays the same role as the Wildcat. B-) It's supposed to snow here in Pittsburgh tomorrow and I got to go to work. Fun......... Well, I shouldn't complain, it's money but the weather is a pain in the butt. B-P


60 posted on 01/15/2005 8:00:53 PM PST by Nowhere Man (We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart?)
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I was born and raised in Rochester, NY.

Lived 1 year at Browns Point, WA.-----NE Tacoma

SNOW SUCKS

I love my LZ!

74 posted on 01/15/2005 9:52:59 PM PST by RIGHT IN LAS VEGAS
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get a 4-Wheeler with a plow on the front thats the solution I have come up with

75 posted on 01/15/2005 9:59:28 PM PST by Echo Talon
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You have my condolences... Although we don't get the maassive amounts of snow here in Omaha others may, we still get enough to get ugly for a short time. Same issues, plow comes through the neighborhood and clears 1/2 to 2/3 of street width. Everyone comes out and clears end of driveway. 24 hrs later, here comes the plow again and trys for the "rest of the roadway", getting close but not up to the curb. That is when we get the rolled, icey mass piled 2-3 ft deep at end of drive..

The only thing that has worked on some occasions is when you are out plowing the drive and sidewalks, throw the snow into the yards or ahead of where the plow will run - beyond your drive. I have even gone into the street and plow the snow to the other side of the drive in the direction of travel..

Last resort - find out where the commmisioner lives and see just what the plow operators do at HIS house. We had an issue a few years back with some residential streets never getting plowed and some getting hit 2 - 3 times during a storm.. Come to find out, the streets that were hit often, had council members living on them.. Coincidence - I wonder... Anyway, photos and articles in the paper quickly changed that little "policy"...

Good luck....


80 posted on 01/19/2005 9:11:03 PM PST by UPcrawfish
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