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Quality of Life in the Desert? High Living in Rome's Distant Quarries
Univ of Leicester ^ | September 9, 2002 | Dr Marijke van der Veen

Posted on 11/26/2004 6:09:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv

The distance and remote location of the quarry complexes did not affect the food supply. The workers had access not to a meagre diet of a few staples, but instead had access to a wide range of foods... Ancient texts suggest that the Romans used slaves and conscripts in the mines, and it was assumed that this was also the case at these quarry sites. Furthermore, the remote and desert location of the quarry complexes and consequent long supply routes were expected to have had a detrimental effect on the quality of the diet at these sites. The excavations revealed through the artefacts, food remains and texts that here a salaried workforce was used. The men were given both food in kind and a salary with which they purchased further foods and other goods. The foods recovered during the excavations reveal variety and the presence of luxuries. In terms of diet, quality of life was achieved despite the desert location.

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1 posted on 11/26/2004 6:09:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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Hard Stones

2 posted on 11/26/2004 6:10:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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At Empires Edge: Exploring Romes Egyptian Frontier by Robert B. Jackson

3 posted on 11/26/2004 6:10:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
The book shown in message three has a fascinating discussion of these quarries as well as monochrome photos, some of which show some of the cracked or flawed products that couldn't be shipped, laying where they were abandoned over 1500 years ago.
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4 posted on 11/26/2004 6:15:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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Another case of the arrogance of modernity: "Only WE can have a good quality of life. Nobody was happy before Xanax."

When, in reality, our bodies and minds have been genetically the same for hundreds of thousands of years. Same brains. Same desires. Is it any surprise that Romans lived good lives when they could?


5 posted on 11/26/2004 6:31:47 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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Near one of the villages where the quarry workers lived there's a Roman-era well (the Romans were first to find/mine the Porphyrites and Claudianus quarries) which is still used by the nomads passing through. Somewhat related topic:
Quarry, Setting and Team Marks: The Carian Connection
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University of Leiden (Netherlands) | 1998 | (about) Sheldon Lee Gosline
In this paper, the author proposes some specific attributions for signs deriving from the Carian or another West-Anatolian script found on in situ blocks from standing walls: quarry, block positioning, or team marks. The proposals are based on data from three distant yet related sites where such marks have been preserved, among which the Khnum temple terrace on Elephantine. In time, however, the quarry marks at Elephantine do not correspond with the other two sites. Therefore, the author proposes that the terrace was built several hundred years earlier than the Graeco-Roman Period to which the terrace is usually dated, or...
 

6 posted on 11/26/2004 7:22:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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I find it a sad commentary on Arab civilisation, that 1,500 years ago, right at the onset of Islamic religion, and the end of roman domination of the area, this site was abandoned..

One would think that such beautiful stone would be in commercial demand, and a decent industry could be made out of quarrying that stone for various architectural purposes..
Yet, not one egyptian, in 1,500 years has taken up where the romans left off..

7 posted on 11/26/2004 7:28:20 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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Well, there are very nice porphyry columns in a church (if memory serves) St Petersburg, presumably obtained either from a dismantled Byzantine site after the Turkish conquest, or commercially during Turkish domination of the Middle East. Also, King Farouk had some quarrying done.

It would be nice to acquire some of the scrap pieces the Romans left behind for museums outside Egypt, since they aren't of much interest otherwise (no tourist traffic up to either site). For those who are very ambitious, there's a 200 ton cracked column up there, probably an "oops" quarried for a project of (I think) Caligula. There were others which made the trip to Rome (obviously by water).

I'd be very surprised if some newly-quarried finished objects of great size didn't lay on the bottom of the Mediterranean, and out of Egyptian jurisdiction.


8 posted on 11/26/2004 7:49:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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I'd be very surprised if some newly-quarried finished objects of great size didn't lay on the bottom of the Mediterranean, and out of Egyptian jurisdiction.

I wouldn't be surprised if that was so.

9 posted on 11/27/2004 10:17:23 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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I wouldn't be surprised if a good many Americans would buy this stone for kitchen counters.


10 posted on 11/27/2004 8:35:02 PM PST by Restorer (Europe is heavily armed, but only with envy.)
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People pay "premium" prices for FAKE marble made of marble dust and resin..
It's really nice looking stuff, but it's Fake..

The shots I saw in the article were of beautiful, high quality stone in a variety of colors..
Natural stone..

Given the economy in the mid-east, and specifically Egypt, I'm surprised this quarry isn't being mined and the stone shipped all over the world...

If that mine was in Pakistan, you can darn well bet you could get some for your counter top at the local Home Depot at a reasonable price..

11 posted on 11/27/2004 8:57:23 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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12 posted on 12/01/2004 8:21:45 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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13 posted on 02/07/2006 10:06:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Islam is medieval fascism, and the Koran is a medieval Mein Kampf.)
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