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1 posted on 10/17/2004 7:24:38 AM PDT by TBBT
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Take a Xanex.


2 posted on 10/17/2004 7:26:34 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought."-Pope JPII)
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The MSM needs a horse race to attract viewers.

If it were actually tied, the MSM would be saying Kerry is ahead.

The fact that the are saying it is tied means Kerry is back by 11 points.

3 posted on 10/17/2004 7:26:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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I think internal polls show something different. If the MSM is spinning so hard for JFinK why would they show us real polls? Follow the threads previously posted and see the analysis of the internals data for some of them by more analytically minded FReepers. FYI


4 posted on 10/17/2004 7:26:59 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I'm George W. Bush and I approved this message.)
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Remember conventional wisdom about the 2002 elections and what the results were. Remember how surprised the TV pundits were on election night? Wasn't it fun!!!!


5 posted on 10/17/2004 7:28:21 AM PDT by dawn53
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Death to vanities. Pain to the vain.


6 posted on 10/17/2004 7:28:37 AM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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The primary factor, no doubt in my mind, as to why the Al Gore's and John Kerry's can stay so close is this:

The Mainstream Media, not so much what they DO say about the dem candidate, but what they're NOT saying, about the dem candidate. Can you imagine if they actually did their job this year, investigating John O'Neill's claims (and finding the validity of them), scouring through his senate record and reporting on it, etc?

This election would have been over a long time ago, if not for the MSM covering for Kerry.


7 posted on 10/17/2004 7:28:45 AM PDT by kbeam
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Ummmm, No.

There is another alternative: that in fact the polls are masking a pretty big GOP win. See my "Perfect Storm of Kook Theories . . . Appears to be Coming Together!"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1247181/posts

9 posted on 10/17/2004 7:29:20 AM PDT by LS
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THANK JIMMY CARTER & THE FEDERALIZED EDUCATION PROGRAM.


10 posted on 10/17/2004 7:30:17 AM PDT by barnstone
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I see the writing on the wall, too. It says "Quit posting vanities".


13 posted on 10/17/2004 7:31:13 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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I have said the same thing in several threads. We are becoming France (even France has a conservative minority). For the moment, about half of the country thinks Euro Socialism is the way to go. As the current minority communities evolve into the majority, we will see a shift to the left. And everything it entails.

"The land of the free and the home of the brave" will be replaced by "the land of the regulated and the home of the squeemish."

Our new motto should be "Don't tread on me too hard!"


14 posted on 10/17/2004 7:31:26 AM PDT by whitedog57
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We may win this election, but in the future the writing may be on the wall, and we may no longer be able to overcome those forces against us.

Sorry- something more important is happening in the short run here. We can't afford to lose this election or your doom and gloom scenarios will be upon us shorter than you ever thought.

With that in mind what are YOU doing TODAY to help W get re-elected.

16 posted on 10/17/2004 7:31:56 AM PDT by Sir_Humphrey (Al Queda is praying for a Kerry victory.)
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Phooey.

The good will win, and we represent what is good about America, by and large.

Defeatism is suspect, especially since conservatives are optimistic and libs are dour, and have to be so, in order to win.

Your dialectic materialism is showing through. Go back to DU. Before you go, you may want to view Poll average trending toward the president, by Steven Den Beste. It generates the kind of depression that can really rally the Kerry base.

17 posted on 10/17/2004 7:31:57 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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Put the kool-aid down.

Repeat, put the kool-aid down.

Besides, it's bad for your teeth, not to mention your brain. (<;


21 posted on 10/17/2004 7:35:56 AM PDT by mplsconservative (Old media = lies. New media = truth.)
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These public consumption polls you are so worried about are nothing more than propaganda aimed at influencing opinions rather than measuring them.

RELAX!

22 posted on 10/17/2004 7:36:06 AM PDT by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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RATs will do or say whatever they can think of to defeat GW. If they had to stomp old geezers to death in public, they'd do it, with pics at eleven. The MSM would trumpet stomping old geezers as the best thing since sliced bread and the answer to the Social Security problem.


23 posted on 10/17/2004 7:38:40 AM PDT by hershey (i)
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What you feel right now is called being "psyched out" by the opposition (Dems + the media machine). Believe you me, the "gut-check" factor alone will be enough to sink Kerry.


24 posted on 10/17/2004 7:40:39 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("!Allahu Snackbar" - the war cry of the pajamadeen - Let's stop VOTE FRAUD NOW! Write your reps!)
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I think one thing is for sure - we need to strengthen our elections laws.

You should have to prove citizenship to be able to register to vote. You should have to show I.D. at your polling place before being given a ballot.

It's important that we make it as easy as possible for everybody - whose eligible to vote - to vote. It's equally as important that the integrity of the vote is protected by our laws so that any individual's legally cast vote is not canceled out by an illegally cast one. If there is anything that's disenfranchisement this is.
27 posted on 10/17/2004 7:44:28 AM PDT by TBBT
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Someone in the MSM said that heir influence was worth about 15%. If you think about it, if the MSM accurately and fairly reported the news about Kerry, he wouldn't even have a viable candidacy. The question is, how can we neutralize the effect of the MSM? The blogosphere, Fox News, and the fact that conservatism is, well, just cooler than foam-at-the-mouth liberalism is a big step in evening the odds.


29 posted on 10/17/2004 7:48:58 AM PDT by JusPasenThru (Look at the hysterical pack of weirdos, thugs and prevaricators that the Democratic Party has become)
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You have to factor in the effect that the "new media" is having. If this were 20 years ago this would be an easy win for Kerry. Rather's piece would have gone all but unchallenged in any practical sense, the propaganda networks would have told everyone what to think.

What you're seeing here is a nation where people have lost sight of the forest for the trees. Elections no longer come down to what a president may do or not do that might impact its citizens. That's why you hear after "debates", which are more and more simply open-mic nights b/c people like Kerry don't answer the questions they simply talk about what they want to for 90 or 30 seconds, how someone is voting for Kerry "because he looked better."

What does that mean, he looked better?? It's outrageous if you think about it. Someone clearly has no grasp on what the ramifications of a guy like Kerry in the office of Presidency are and are voting for him b/c of his mannerisms and looks? How shameful! But that's the mindset of many.

If you go back through a lot of the great happenings in this nation you'll see that most were spurned by just a minority of people somewhere. Most "Americans" at the time were against the Revolution. Well, if we went by majority vote, we wouldn't be sitting here talking as we now are likely.

You're taking these polls too seriously. I'm so sick and tired of these bumbling polls that I don't even pay attention to them. As an analyst, I can only tell you that the way they are dished out is next to meaningless unless they consider the system, namely the electoral vote college.

I think you're going to be surprised on the 3rd. You're being inundated, if you're paying attention and it seems you are, to the MSM, with ANYTHING that paints a rosy picture for them.

What they're not telling you is how many voters/people are sick and tired of DEM bitching, whining, hate tactics, shootings at election HQs, Dan RAther and CBS stuff, etc. They are using polls as a tool. They're desperate! They are seeing the last bastions of their former power base, which was built and maintained on lies and deceptions fed to sheep who just said "bah" and believed anything, erode.

Having said that, it may be close. But if you ask me, come election day I think W will win in a not-so-close fashion. How many people have you heard, over the last few years since 9/11, say 'I've always voted Republican but I'll never vote Rep again!' Any? Now, how many have you heard say the opposite? On Hannity's show, on Rush's show, myself in person, I've heard probably a hundred.

IMO many W voters simply don't want to be identified right now for fear of reprisals against them. That's why many I know won't put a W sticker on their cars, they're afraid of getting keyed. But they'll be at the polls! And in spades! Anyone voting for W will risk hell and high water this election and they had better. But the support for Kerry is really not support for him. It's really support for "anti-W" which is only gonna get these folks out so far and many will vote for Nadir. Yes, mispelling intentional. Many of these people are not so anti-W, they're simply angry at the 2000 elections and the fact that W won the electoral college, which Constitutionally governs the election, while Gore won the popular vote. They, in their ignorance, seem to think that Gore should have been president in spite of that. A perfect example of why there need to be rules, laws, and standards of the moral and ethical variety, especially for folks like them who are dishonest.

So don't panic. If you ask me, W's gonna beat most of these polls, again, as long as W voters actually go out and vote, but I'm not sensing a motivation issue this time. The odds historically of there being two such close elections are slim-to-none with no such occurrence in American history.

If after the election, it is discovered that there is so much voter/voting fraud that it swayed the election, well, then perhaps it's time for some action in this country. If half a nation would sit by idly and watch their votes be usurped by an unethical political party and other half of the country, then why bother even having elections. Let's find a more confrontational way to pick our leaders and make this hate and suppression of the left the reality that it is.

But again, don't suspect that that will happen. I think you're going to see W supporters crawling out of the woodwork in two weeks. I think that the poll people, most of whom have a lib bias, are using them to "keep the race close" to motivate their F'n supporters. Otherwise they simply won't show up. Have you noticed that few, if any, I certainly haven't seen any since the debates started, polls that include Nadir??? Why do you think that is? Anyway, I also think there are more W voters than many think and am guessing that even when asked in polls who they are voting for may say Kerry or N/S simply b/c given the violence, they may be concerned about violence to themselves or home given what's happening by these fascist Dem supporters around the country that are doing just that.

So who cares for now. Take a breather, relax, and we'll see what happens on the 3rd. I think it's gonna be a good night. I do.

BTW, if you never have, read Robert Bork's "Slouching Towards Gomorrah." IMO it's the number one book that should be on anyone's reading list who's into politics in this nation. It'll explain to you better than anything I've ever read by a long shot, the entire reason why we are where we are at. It was written in 1996 I think, but it's explanations transcend modern history and when you read it you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. It'll open your eyes and show you exactly why what is and has been going on is and has been.



32 posted on 10/17/2004 7:56:28 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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If the polls were close, TBBT.

Why would ACORN and the Dems be flooding considered Battlefield states with voter fraud on massive levels?

The Dems hope to muddy the waters just enough on Nov. 2nd to barrage polling places and districts with the threat of 'Disenfranchisement' lawsuits. In the hope that Clinton-ista judges will throw the election to Kerry.

Personally, I think Kerry is looking at a 70 Electoral College Vote avalanche. Of voters who understand that Security is Paramount and will vote for President Bush.

Jack.


39 posted on 10/17/2004 3:33:05 PM PDT by Jack Deth (Mostly Harmless)
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