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To: TBBT

You have to factor in the effect that the "new media" is having. If this were 20 years ago this would be an easy win for Kerry. Rather's piece would have gone all but unchallenged in any practical sense, the propaganda networks would have told everyone what to think.

What you're seeing here is a nation where people have lost sight of the forest for the trees. Elections no longer come down to what a president may do or not do that might impact its citizens. That's why you hear after "debates", which are more and more simply open-mic nights b/c people like Kerry don't answer the questions they simply talk about what they want to for 90 or 30 seconds, how someone is voting for Kerry "because he looked better."

What does that mean, he looked better?? It's outrageous if you think about it. Someone clearly has no grasp on what the ramifications of a guy like Kerry in the office of Presidency are and are voting for him b/c of his mannerisms and looks? How shameful! But that's the mindset of many.

If you go back through a lot of the great happenings in this nation you'll see that most were spurned by just a minority of people somewhere. Most "Americans" at the time were against the Revolution. Well, if we went by majority vote, we wouldn't be sitting here talking as we now are likely.

You're taking these polls too seriously. I'm so sick and tired of these bumbling polls that I don't even pay attention to them. As an analyst, I can only tell you that the way they are dished out is next to meaningless unless they consider the system, namely the electoral vote college.

I think you're going to be surprised on the 3rd. You're being inundated, if you're paying attention and it seems you are, to the MSM, with ANYTHING that paints a rosy picture for them.

What they're not telling you is how many voters/people are sick and tired of DEM bitching, whining, hate tactics, shootings at election HQs, Dan RAther and CBS stuff, etc. They are using polls as a tool. They're desperate! They are seeing the last bastions of their former power base, which was built and maintained on lies and deceptions fed to sheep who just said "bah" and believed anything, erode.

Having said that, it may be close. But if you ask me, come election day I think W will win in a not-so-close fashion. How many people have you heard, over the last few years since 9/11, say 'I've always voted Republican but I'll never vote Rep again!' Any? Now, how many have you heard say the opposite? On Hannity's show, on Rush's show, myself in person, I've heard probably a hundred.

IMO many W voters simply don't want to be identified right now for fear of reprisals against them. That's why many I know won't put a W sticker on their cars, they're afraid of getting keyed. But they'll be at the polls! And in spades! Anyone voting for W will risk hell and high water this election and they had better. But the support for Kerry is really not support for him. It's really support for "anti-W" which is only gonna get these folks out so far and many will vote for Nadir. Yes, mispelling intentional. Many of these people are not so anti-W, they're simply angry at the 2000 elections and the fact that W won the electoral college, which Constitutionally governs the election, while Gore won the popular vote. They, in their ignorance, seem to think that Gore should have been president in spite of that. A perfect example of why there need to be rules, laws, and standards of the moral and ethical variety, especially for folks like them who are dishonest.

So don't panic. If you ask me, W's gonna beat most of these polls, again, as long as W voters actually go out and vote, but I'm not sensing a motivation issue this time. The odds historically of there being two such close elections are slim-to-none with no such occurrence in American history.

If after the election, it is discovered that there is so much voter/voting fraud that it swayed the election, well, then perhaps it's time for some action in this country. If half a nation would sit by idly and watch their votes be usurped by an unethical political party and other half of the country, then why bother even having elections. Let's find a more confrontational way to pick our leaders and make this hate and suppression of the left the reality that it is.

But again, don't suspect that that will happen. I think you're going to see W supporters crawling out of the woodwork in two weeks. I think that the poll people, most of whom have a lib bias, are using them to "keep the race close" to motivate their F'n supporters. Otherwise they simply won't show up. Have you noticed that few, if any, I certainly haven't seen any since the debates started, polls that include Nadir??? Why do you think that is? Anyway, I also think there are more W voters than many think and am guessing that even when asked in polls who they are voting for may say Kerry or N/S simply b/c given the violence, they may be concerned about violence to themselves or home given what's happening by these fascist Dem supporters around the country that are doing just that.

So who cares for now. Take a breather, relax, and we'll see what happens on the 3rd. I think it's gonna be a good night. I do.

BTW, if you never have, read Robert Bork's "Slouching Towards Gomorrah." IMO it's the number one book that should be on anyone's reading list who's into politics in this nation. It'll explain to you better than anything I've ever read by a long shot, the entire reason why we are where we are at. It was written in 1996 I think, but it's explanations transcend modern history and when you read it you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. It'll open your eyes and show you exactly why what is and has been going on is and has been.



32 posted on 10/17/2004 7:56:28 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Fruitbat
You have to factor in the effect that the "new media" is having. If this were 20 years ago this would be an easy win for Kerry. Rather's piece would have gone all but unchallenged in any practical sense, the propaganda networks would have told everyone what to think.
I think that my be tantamount to sticking one's finger in the hole while the rest of the dam is crumbling around him/her. In other words, the "new media" may have some positive effect but it may be too little, too late.
I don't think the new media can counter the gross ignorance and lack of education of the public at large.
First you have to be smart enough to access the new media.
Second, when you have a large body of people running around who don't know the basics - ie. ignorant of the roles of the 3 branches of the government, don't know who the Vice President is, don't know who the VP running mate of the challenger is, don't know what the electoral college is etc, then you've got a serious bleak indicator of the future. The list goes on and on and it says one thing - the public at large are truly the Ignorant Masses, and are becoming more so as the years pass. You can put the information out there in the "new media", but like the old adage goes "you can lead the horse to water, but you can't force him to drink."
36 posted on 10/17/2004 8:25:59 AM PDT by TBBT
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