We must vote Constitutionist

www.costituitionistparty.com | 8/12/04 | wwalk841

[MikefromOhio]

Well I am very glad you can find the wording of the Declaration of Independence....

However, they needed to be praying. They were taking on the foremost military power in the world at the time. They NEEDED all the help they could get, and they got it obviously.


Still doesnt mean our government was founded on God. We are a Constitutional Republic, not a Theocracy.

[inquest]

Read the excerpt again. They weren't asking for help. They were seeking validation for their action in founding the new nation - and they made it clear that they were speaking for the entire country in the process. You just can't get much more explicit than that.

[MikefromOhio]

Reread what I said please....


The Declaration was not the basis for our government. It was never meant to be.


Asking for approval is different than designing the government having God as the foundation. But it's ok, believe what you wish, it is a free country.

[inquest]

The Declaration was not the basis for our government.

The initial point you were responding to was that the country, not the "government", has God at its foundation. The Declaration represented the founding of the country, stated in the most authoritative terms you could ask for.

[MikefromOhio]

ok lets see here...

he wants to put God at the foundation of the country and he is talking about a national election. It isnt a stretch to see that he means making God the foundation of the government, at least that is how I read it and that is exactly what the founding fathers wished to avoid.

[inquest]

I can't speak for the poster in question, but I know that the Constitution Party's various statements have been to the effect that government should respect the fact that the country is founded on acknowledgement of divine providence; therefore it should not be out to enforce any kind of militant secularism on society, as it's been doing. I've seen absolutely nothing in their platform that suggests anything "theocratic" - nothing at all that would infringe on anyone's rights of conscience, or treat anyone differently based on religious views or practices.

[MikefromOhio]

because the Constitution makes shows indifference to the rights of people of all religions....


If they were a true Constitutionalist party, they would know this.

I am guessing you are a Constitutionalist yourself?

[inquest]

because the Constitution makes shows indifference to the rights of people of all religions....

That didn't come through very clearly. The Constitution isn't "indifferent" to anybody's rights. It emphatically protects them. And in so doing, it doesn't discriminate on the basis of religion. The Constitution Party understands that, and that's not what's being disputed.

[wwalk841]

Abortion should be illegalized, and where does it say it's an invasion of privacy anyway?

[wwalk841]

No they support any canidate they can get their hands on.

[flashbunny]

"Abortion should be illegalized, and where does it say it's an invasion of privacy anyway?"

It doesn't say it anywhere in the constitution. The constitution also doesn't give the federal government the authority to ban abortion, either.

What the chucklehead from the constitution part said he would do would be to issue an EO to declare all unborn children the be living humans, and then have the justice department say they had 5th amendment rights to not be denied life.

The only problem that moron who purports to be be a Constitution party candidate doesn't understand is that the 5th amendment applies to the GOVERNMENT, not the actions of private parties. Therefore his actions would be just as consititutionally invalid as Roe V. Wade is.

[verity]

It is past your nap time.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

No thank you.

People were told to "Vote for Teddy Roosevelt" instead of Taft. We ended up with Woodrow Wilson, WWI, Jim Crow and a number of other nasty things.

People were told to Vote for Perot. We got Clinton.

And sitting at home?

People did it in 1976. We got Carter.

Sorry, the bill the we are still paying for this kind of stupidity is far too high.

[wwalk841]

An unborn baby is a living thing that breathes just like you and me

[flashbunny]

"An unborn baby is a living thing that breathes just like you and me."

First you may want to figure out exactly how a baby 'breathes just like you and me' in the womb. That statement just make you sound silly, becuase it's obviously incorrect to anybody who understands how they do get oxygen.

Secondly, how does that make violating the constitution with an EO right? Especially if this guy is running on the constitution part ticket. That's the real problem.

Your candidate is a joke. Sorry to have to say it, but it's true. His big issue is a direct violation of the constitution.

[wwalk841]

So your saying, that killing anybody anytime is o.k. I am smart enough to know that if a baby in the womb can cough it can breath. What if when you were born your parents said, "no, we don't want you."
And I'm sorry to say sir ," you are a liberal!

[flashbunny]

So your saying, that killing anybody anytime is o.k. I am smart enough to know that if a baby in the womb can cough it can breath. What if when you were born your parents said, "no, we don't want you." And I'm sorry to say sir ," you are a liberal!

First, you said a fetus breathes just like you and I do. It does not. Unless you breath by absorbing oxygen from blood via an umbilical cord. Attached to a placenta that you have sitting around. Do you??? If so, please attach pics of yourself as proof.

Come on, get a biology textbook! 'Coughing' isn't the same as breathing in the womb. How does the oxygen get in there? Scuba gear???

You sound as ignorant of human biology as your presidential candidate sounds about the constitution!

Second, it's not about 'kill anybody anytime'. There is nothing in the constitution to either give the federal government the power to outlaw abortion or to say states can't outlaw abortion. That is why roe v. wade was flawed. Your personal wishes do not have the power to override the constitution of the US when you feel like it.

Outlawing abortion based on one of the most tenuous 5th amendment arguments ever just makes the constitution a joke. I'd say it makes the constitution party a joke, too, but they've already done that with their presidential nominee.

[wwalk841]

When I cough air comes out of my mouth. When I laugh, air comes out of my mouth. The same in the womb. The government protects elders, adults, kids (yes, even the unborn ones). The government's first priority is to protect the people, not kill them.

[flashbunny]

Two things are apparent:

1. You have no idea what you're talking about, either with regards to biology or the constitution (which is odd because you're encouraging voting for the constitution party).

2. Nobody else really cares about this thread or your joke of a candidate.

[wwalk841]

If you think killing a living human being is o.k., then your the joke not me. There is air in the mothers blood stream so yes, a baby breathes. Just because they don't breath still doesn't mean anything! What if a baby that was aborted just a little while ago was the future president. Huh?