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Woman Fired for eating pork
Local 6 via HundredPercenter.com ^ | August 4th, 2004 | Local 6 News

Posted on 08/04/2004 9:15:03 AM PDT by HundredPercenter

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To: HundredPercenter
I work for a private company and wish we could fire some of the people who microwave foul smelling, disgusting food. They stink up the whole office and it doesn't go away in an hour. One day, one of the hypenated Americans actually brought a hot plate and cooked food in the cafe. Talk about stench!

But then again, maybe my reheated pot roast smelled bad to them. We will probably all loose the microwave. Why is it that the answer to the multicultural issues and diversity is generally an abolition of the American culture?

21 posted on 08/04/2004 3:01:00 PM PDT by kdot
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To: HundredPercenter
How can this woman sue on the grounds of religious discrimination? I don't know of any Christian creed which states that eating pork is a sacrament or something. It seems to me that many Christians have elevated the consumption of pork to a religious ritual and those Christians who refuse to eat pork are considered "legalists" and "heretics" simply because they actually believe what ALL Scripture says, not just the ones which are twisted to "tickle our ears" and tell us we can do whatever we want and make Yeshua happy.

Yeshua didn't die so Chistians can eat pork sandwiches at church potlucks but if you dare tell a Chritian that the Bible doesn't justify pork consumption, they react w/ just as much venom as if you tried to take Charlton Heston's musked out of his "cold dead hands".

I have heard stories of Messianic Jews forced to give up their culture and kashrut to prove to their gentile brethren that they were loyal to Yeshua.

Mark Gabriel, a former Muslim scholar who converted to Christianity, was applauded loudly at a YWAM traning center when he ate pork for the first time as though he was a 100% Christian until he ate pork.

Leviticus 11:29 These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,

Isaiah 66:15-17: For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Sad and disgusting at the same time.

22 posted on 08/04/2004 3:29:14 PM PDT by Tamar1973 ("He who is compassionate to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the compassionate." Chazal)
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To: HundredPercenter
No doubt I'll get flamed for this, but that's OK, I can take it... One thing that really bugs me about many religions is the proscription of various foods. No pork for Muslims or Jews, no beef for Hindus, no meat on a few ever-changing days for Catholics (used to be all Fridays; do you suppose someone who ate a cheeseburger on a Friday in 1960 is now suffering eternal damnation, whereas it's OK to do so now?). Rules such as these, it seems to me, come closer to superstition than theology.

If someone were to force me to join a church (and that'll be a cold day in Hell, so to speak), I'd become an Episcopalian, I guess -- I'd only be required to give up something I don't like anyway for Lent.

23 posted on 08/04/2004 3:39:23 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (Past performance is no guarantee of future results... I hope.)
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To: HundredPercenter
Ummm...

I worked at a great company that makes luxury yachts. One of the best jobs I've ever had. I still drop in to visit from time to time.

The owners were vegetarian 7th-Day Adventists who respected the religious beliefs of all who worked there.

Because of their profound beliefs, it was an unwritten rule that you don't cuss, chew tobacco, etc on COMPANY PROPERTY.

Meat was always served at our company picnics (which were an all-day festival that you did not want to leave). They respected our day of worship as we were expected to respect theirs (sundown Friday to sundown Saturday)...they did no business on Saturday whatsoever.

They could have made thing alot worse, but didn't out of respect to their employees.

I still feel though, that a private enterprise should be able to make whatever rules it wishes.
24 posted on 08/04/2004 3:52:49 PM PDT by baltodog (There are three kinds of people: Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: johnfrink
So if I have a company and I believe it is important to eat pork, can I fire a Muslim employee who refuses?

If there wasn't this thing called "political correctness", then yes, you could. PC does exist however, and the person you fired, you would soon be calling "boss".

25 posted on 08/04/2004 5:05:45 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Since she has Federal Law on her side, depending on how the Florida courts react or decide, this could go all the way to the USSC.

Great. You mean the same Supreme Court with Ruth Bader Ginsburg on it?

If this hits the Supreme Court, I would consider buying "put" options on pork bellies, big time, cuz' there won't be one piece of bacon left in America if this hits the Supremes.

26 posted on 08/04/2004 5:29:01 PM PDT by boycottliberalhollywood.com (www.boycottliberalhollywood.com - www.twoamericas.us)
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To: boycottliberalhollywood.com
cuz' there won't be one piece of bacon left in America if this hits the Supremes.

I've got a really big freezer if anybody wants to store their stash along with mine....rent free.

27 posted on 08/04/2004 5:44:25 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (May the wings of Liberty never lose so much as a feather.)
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To: Tamar1973

Ac 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Ga 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


28 posted on 08/04/2004 5:59:34 PM PDT by protest1
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To: protest1



Amen and pass the pork.....please.


29 posted on 08/04/2004 6:05:36 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: HundredPercenter
"Did you ever sign to or agree to anything that said I will not eat pork?" Holfeld asked Morales.
"Never," Morales said. "When I got hired there, they said we don't care what religion you are."

Excuse me but does anyone else see a disconnect here? What does what not caring what religion she is have to do with her bringing on to company property an item she had been previously asked not to bring on to company property?

The company is in the right. When you have been told not to do something once and proceed to do it again you are asking to get fired.

30 posted on 08/04/2004 6:21:43 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Ense et aratro! "Lady Snuggles of the Lethal Yew")
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To: HundredPercenter

I'm in Orlando. I need an extra administrative aide. I'll be calling her in the AM to send a resume!


31 posted on 08/04/2004 6:44:05 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

no flame ... the New Testament addresses this specifically ... you might be surprised to read this ...

Colossians 2:16 KJV
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink,
or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon,
or of the Sabbath days:

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?search=judge+drink&SearchType=AND&version=KJV&restrict=Epistles&StartRestrict=&EndRestrict=&rpp=25&language=english&searchpage=0&x=12&y=7


32 posted on 08/04/2004 8:27:23 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: MindBender26

good for you ...


33 posted on 08/04/2004 8:29:03 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: protest1

see my response a few posts prior to this one ...


34 posted on 08/04/2004 8:30:33 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Flashman_at_the_charge

I read that as one sentence, not two.


35 posted on 08/05/2004 6:20:12 AM PDT by Erasmus
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To: Slings and Arrows
Their property, their rules.

OSHA,EEOC,EPA,DEC,N.O.W.,A.A.R.P.,NAACP and every other alphabet organization might argue the point.

I work in a family business - it just aint so bub - the government mandated rules are quite clear

she stands to own the place...........at which point I'd promptly put pork rinds in the vending machine

36 posted on 08/05/2004 7:38:44 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911
OSHA,EEOC,EPA,DEC,N.O.W.,A.A.R.P.,NAACP and every other alphabet organization might argue the point.

Then those organizations (most of which have nothing to do with this issue) are wrong.

Her employers told her not to bring pork on the premises.

She did so after being so ordered.

She was fired.

If I was on jury trying this case, that would be the end of the story. Too bad for her.

37 posted on 08/05/2004 7:48:40 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Nothing goes together like spliffs and uzis." --Physicist)
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To: mcg1969; All
I went to the original site for this story when it popped up on Drudge yesterday, and found a freeze-frame of a graphic broadcast as part of the story. It showed a passage from the Koran forbidding food "which hath been invoked the name other than Allah."

Wouldn't that mean that Kosher food would be forbidden in a Rising Star facility? Which would mean that an orthodox Jew employee could never dine on the premises? Or that a person who brought in a beef hot dog from Hebrew National would be fired?

38 posted on 08/05/2004 8:14:15 AM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, and victory.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
If I was on jury trying this case, that would be the end of the story. Too bad for her.

which sucks for her since youd be ignoring case law by acting so capriciously (no pimp slap meant)

The owner has made what we presume was a publicly offered position of employment conditional upon their religious tenets.

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from the EEOC website

Religious Discrimination Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of l964 prohibits employers from discriminating against individuals because of their religion in hiring, firing, and other terms and conditions of employment. Title VII covers employers with 15 or more employees, including state and local governments. It also applies to employment agencies and to labor organizations, as well as to the federal government.

Under Title VII:

Employers may not treat employees or applicants less - or more - favorably because of their religious beliefs or practices. For example, an employer may not refuse to hire individuals of a certain religion, may not impose stricter promotion requirements for persons of a certain religion, and may not impose more or different work requirements on an employee because of that employee's religious beliefs or practices.

Employees cannot be forced to participate -- or not participate -- in a religious activity as a condition of employment.

Employers must reasonably accommodate employees' sincerely held religious beliefs or practices unless doing so would impose an undue hardship on the employer. A reasonable religious accommodation is any adjustment to the work environment that will allow the employee to practice his religion. Flexible scheduling, voluntary substitutions or swaps, job reassignments and lateral transfers and modifying workplace practices, policies and/or procedures are examples of how an employer might accommodate an employee's religious beliefs.

An employer is not required to accommodate an employee's religious beliefs and practices if doing so would impose an undue hardship on the employers' legitimate business interests. An employer can show undue hardship if accommodating an employee's religious practices requires more than ordinary administrative costs, diminishes efficiency in other jobs, infringes on other employees' job rights or benefits, impairs workplace safety, causes co-workers to carry the accommodated employee's share of potentially hazardous or burdensome work, or if the proposed accommodation conflicts with another law or regulation.

Employers must permit employees to engage in religious expression if employees are permitted to engage in other personal expression at work, unless the religious expression would impose an unde hardship on the employer. Therefore, an employer may not place more restrictions on religious expression than on other forms of expression that have a comparable effect on workplace efficiency.

Employers must take steps to prevent religious harassment of their employees. An employer can reduce the chance that employees will engage unlawful religious harassment by implementing an anti-harassment policy and having an effective procedure for reporting, investigating and correcting harassing conduct.

It is also unlawful to retaliate against an individual for opposing employment practices that discriminate based on religion or for filing a discrimination charge, testifying, or participating in any way in an investigation, proceeding, or litigation under Title VII.

now it may be his place - but its certainly not his rules

39 posted on 08/05/2004 8:45:27 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: protest1
You are one of those who twist the scripture to your own destruction, you quote Peters' vision witout the context of the End of the chapter when Peter finally realises that it is the Gentiles who are clean, not the food.

Peter's vision had NOTHING to do with food and everything to do with G-d calling gentiles to Himself.

Acts 10:34-43: Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Not a word in there about nullifying Torah.

Matthew 5:17-20

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

There are a lot of anti-nomian pastors who are going to find themselves making it to heaven as the "least in the kingdom" because they teach their congregations that it is ok to violate G-d's written Torah and wear it as a badge of honor.

40 posted on 08/05/2004 9:51:28 AM PDT by Tamar1973 ("He who is compassionate to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the compassionate." Chazal)
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