Posted on 06/07/2025 5:03:55 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111
When the guns fall silent in Ukraine – and they will, sooner or later – Western officials will rush to declare a new era of European security. There will be speeches about victory, resilience, the defense of democracy. But beneath the rhetoric, something far more consequential will already be taking shape: the emergence of Ukraine as a de facto member of NATO, regardless of whether Article 5 ever formally applies.
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It should have been disbanded after the Cold War.
Remember all the bipartisan talk of a "peace dividend"?
Post Cold War NATO ate that up.
Our NATO "allies" are as much enemies of our way of life as the Soviets were.
Real countries are not created by with a coup and all the salaries paid by the chief benefactor due to a lack of an economy. Pensions and salaries are all paid by the US or in some cases the EU. Teachers, firemen, janitors, soldiers, school teachers and their pensions all paid by other countries.
The anti-Russian hate taught in Ukraine really on surfaced with Zelinski. Those that hate Russia probably need to get the frack out of Ukraine before occupation forces from all over the Russian Defensive Alliance show up with their third world matter of fact anti-terrorist idea of peace keeping. All those ‘stans will send occupation peace keepers/makers that don’t need some FAFO excuse to finish the job Azov started.
Project Ukraine launched at a time of single superpower status and a NATO riding rough shot over all whose resources were required by the borg-like beast, it never once crossed the minds of the arrogant/ignorant work idiots implementing the Ukrainian defeat of Russia. Obama was destined to fail - the people who thought up Project Ukraine were purged and replaced by Obama or Obama’s woke successors.
Enter Trump who just said Zelinski just gave Putin a reason to bomb Ukraine back into the stone age.
Ukraine was not a creation of 2014. It is a product of a real people whose national identity goes back centuries, regardless of what the Russians would like to believe. Even if Russia were to win this war, all they would have won is an ongoing insurgency against Russian domination. The dream of the Russian nationalist that after a military victory that the Ukrainian national identity would just melt away and blend in with the Russian one that will never be realized.
This will not happen. Russia will fight for the next 100 years, if necessary, to prevent it.
Russia will never allow it. They will restart the war if need be.
Putin has guaranteed that Ukraine and NATO have no other choice. His invasion has already produced - Finland, Sweden and others, and will continue to produce the opposite “security” results from what he intended, and with good reason.
but the Ukrainians are a real people and Ukraine is a real country.
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Only since 1991, a very young, irresponsible, corrupt country that has defaulted on its debt over and over, the main reason the EU never admitted them to the EU.
Their credit rating was dropped to an appalling “D” rating, that is D for Deadbeat. A corrupt nation lead by grifters, that absolutely no one will pony up the estimated one trillion $$$ required for “ reconstruction “.
The western “Yugoslavia treatment “ is their only answer.
Neither Russia or Ukraine will be allowed to end this war.
The Ukrainians may have been independent only since 1991 but their national identity goes back centuries. Russia will not be able to re-assimilate them. The idea that Ukraine can again be part of Russia is not going to happen.
It will happen and is happening...what are you going to do about it?
No one wants to wipe away the identity of people in Ukraine.
Ukraine’s only use to people who hate Russia is to force their genocide to the last Ukrainian to destroy Russia.
Russia has killed fewer civilians in this war than Ukraine. Fewer in this war than the US on the first day of Shock and Awe.
Whether you like it or not, Russia has defeated the NATO overlords who run Ukraine for their purposes. Ukraine is but a pawn.
The identity of Ukraine is similar to Russia, Poland, Hungry, and as such until Ukriane returns to the pre-WWII borders, they won’t have the identity of which you speak. 20% of Ukraine will carved up for the Poland and the western countries and those precious Queer Loving Russian Hating non-Ukrianians will be returned to mother countries.
This Ukraine today is a result of a coup, period. The entire coup was by the US for the purpose of fanning our Hatred of Russia. Your hate of Russia is simply fed by using Ukraine.
You’ll be off to chest thumping agian with the next NATO-Con or NEO-Con imposition of instability and war.
Ukraine, despite the best efforts of the Russians, still stands. But even if the Russians were to win, they will not be able to erase the Ukrainian national identity. It would be a false victory that would only lead to a continuing insurgency. Russia’s actions are based on the false idea that they can turn Ukrainians back into Russians.
Except for nukes Russia was already weak before it went to war with Ukraine. At its nadir, it would not have taken much for NATO to “take” Russia in a conventional war. But Russia has plenty of nukes to use in self defense. So Russia was never threatened.
Putin is threatened by his oligarchs and people. He must loot and pillage and stay on a war footing to stay in power. It’s well recognized that if Putin loses in Ukraine he will be deposed.
Besides China who wants a piece of Russia? On the other hand Putey Pute wants Ukraine, and the Baltics, most of Eastern Europe, and if dared some Nordic ground. He has no limits on his ambitions. Looting and pillaging is how a Rus Viking stays in power.
You should read what the Russians themselves say on the topic.
Ukraine’s only use to people who hate Russia is to force their genocide to the last Ukrainian to destroy Russia.
Right, anti-Russian globalists are forcing the Russians to kill Ukrainians. Nice excuse.
Whether you like it or not, Russia has defeated the NATO overlords who run Ukraine for their purposes. Ukraine is but a pawn.
Ukraine will continue to fight for their freedom and existence because they are not pawns.
The identity of Ukraine is similar to Russia, Poland, Hungry, and as such until Ukriane returns to the pre-WWII borders, they won’t have the identity of which you speak. 20% of Ukraine will carved up for the Poland and the western countries and those precious Queer Loving Russian Hating non-Ukrianians will be returned to mother countries.
Hungry? They are not Slavs. But as to the rest, Ukraine may be similar but they are distinct. Russia will not be able to re-assimilate them.
This Ukraine today is a result of a coup, period. The entire coup was by the US for the purpose of fanning our Hatred of Russia. Your hate of Russia is simply fed by using Ukraine.
Nice myth you have there. The present government, whether you or Russia like it or not, was elected by the Ukrainian people.
Yes, all those who oppose Russia's attempt to subjugate another country must hate Russia. Sorry, but that is not what is causing us to support Ukraine. I, others who support Ukraine, do not hate Russia. We only oppose their invasion. I would like to see a prosperous Russia once they left Ukraine.
“Once the pervert is gone (soon), Ukraine won’t need NATO. They’ll be safe!”
KGB thug Putin may be around awhile.
And his successor could be worse.
Secret Back Door...why do I think of Lindsay Graham when I hear that?
Ukraine has been a de facto member of NATO for some time now. Nothing new there.
Putin or his successors are not going anywhere.
exactly so
The European Union doesn't care about Ukraine. The nascent Fourth Reich views it the same way Hitler did... Lebensraum. They want the rich farmlands and resources. They couldn't give one damn about the "Ukrainians".
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