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Constitution question: can V.P. Vance (as Senate president) "usurp" control of the Senate from majority leader?
self | 11/11/2024 | NewJerseyJoe

Posted on 11/11/2024 7:14:23 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe

Mitch McConnell is pulling his usual shenanigans and trying to install one of his puppets as the incoming senate majority leader. That got me to thinking...

The Constitution does not provide for a "Senate majority leader," but it DOES declare that the Vice President is "president of the Senate." If McConnell gets his puppet installed, could Vice President Vance simply walk into the Senate and say "I'm assuming my duty as president of the Senate," and just shut out the majority leader? Has there been any historical precedent for a V.P. doing something like this?

If obstructionist Republicans intend to stymie Trump's nominations and appointments, this would be a totally boss move. And Vance has the stones to pull it off.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: majorityleader; presidentprotempore; senate; vicepresident
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1 posted on 11/11/2024 7:14:23 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe
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To: NewJerseyJoe

I think the Senate makes its own rules and I don’t think the President of the Senate can just toss them aside.


2 posted on 11/11/2024 7:16:47 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (My decisions about people are based almost entirely on skin color. I learned this from Democrats.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Some people are floating the idea:
https://x.com/glennbeck/status/1854988977989992472


3 posted on 11/11/2024 7:17:19 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: NewJerseyJoe
i like it. i like it a lot. mitch is married to china so time to cut the cord.
4 posted on 11/11/2024 7:17:38 AM PST by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First ges secnd" L.Star)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

many VPs seem to lie low. I was thinking that it would be good for Vance to make a name for himself during the first four years so that he is an obvious choice as incumbent in 2028. This would sure do it.


5 posted on 11/11/2024 7:20:13 AM PST by Rio
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Of MUCH more interest is the upcoming Majority Leader vote.

I anticipate an announced result, of a secret ballot, and then all the members will say they did not vote that way, to avoid Trump backlash.

It will be at that point that Rand Paul will stand up and say the count is suspect. I suppose the ballots will be submitted unnamed and then THEY, the ballots, will be challenged as suspect.

If there is a serious effort, this secret ballot can be uncovered. At that point, the anti Trump faction is destroyed.


6 posted on 11/11/2024 7:21:24 AM PST by Owen
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To: NewJerseyJoe

No.


7 posted on 11/11/2024 7:25:05 AM PST by wny
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Stop. Trump will get who he wants. Victorious overwhelming. People looking to make controversy where none exists.


8 posted on 11/11/2024 7:27:17 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( I'm Proud To Be An Okie From Muskogee)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Run McConnell out of town on a rail.


9 posted on 11/11/2024 7:31:09 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston

Does Kentucky have recall? Lol. A Democratic governor in a sea of Red. Maybe he could run again. In Oklahoma. I hear the folks of Broken Arrow are huge fans.


10 posted on 11/11/2024 7:33:08 AM PST by Kudsman (Hey,, Democrat,,leave them kids alone!)
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To: TornadoAlley3

who does he want?


11 posted on 11/11/2024 7:33:45 AM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: NewJerseyJoe

This proposal is just plain stupid. What is the object of this ridiculous scenario. He’s going to be VP...period.


12 posted on 11/11/2024 7:39:11 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: NewJerseyJoe

It’s going to he Thune. Trump is just going to have to deal with that somehow. He should be cordial but firm, knowing that he won a huge mandate, including the popular vote, and that projects power in Washington.


13 posted on 11/11/2024 7:39:52 AM PST by montag813
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Yes they can as legal precedent has already been done...Don’t listen to these nay sayers.


14 posted on 11/11/2024 7:44:04 AM PST by dpetty121263
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could you offer evidence for the precedence?


15 posted on 11/11/2024 7:45:50 AM PST by OneVike ( Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

No he cannot.


16 posted on 11/11/2024 7:47:21 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: spacejunkie2001

Scott. Susie Wiles ran Scott’s campaign for governor.


17 posted on 11/11/2024 7:48:55 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( I'm Proud To Be An Okie From Muskogee)
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To: OneVike

John Adams, George M. Dallas, Levi P. Morton, and Garret A. Hobart did this.

The VPOTUS was primarily a legislative position until the middle of the 20th century.

https://www.senate.gov/about/officers-staff/vice-president/overview.htm


18 posted on 11/11/2024 7:51:32 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: dpetty121263; OneVike

There is precedent, I believe, for the Senate to select the Vice President as their Senate Majority leader. They can vote whomever they want. But I do not think there is any precedent for the Vice President to just walk in and say “I’m taking over”. I don’t think that would work at all.


19 posted on 11/11/2024 7:52:24 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (My decisions about people are based almost entirely on skin color. I learned this from Democrats.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

except that Scott is currently in last place and people want him to be elected so not sure how anyone can be certain at this point that DJT will get what he wants.


20 posted on 11/11/2024 7:55:36 AM PST by spacejunkie2001
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