Posted on 07/02/2023 3:38:02 PM PDT by Ozguy1945
Facing Suicide.
"The world breaks everyone and afterwards many are strong at the broken places."
So wrote Ernest Hemingway in Farewell To Arms (1929)
Hemingway lived most of his life as an outstanding outdoorsman whose understated economical literary style was male to the core.
Like his physician father before him, Hemingway died by suicide on July 2nd, 1961.
"What is the sense of ruining my head" he said of the ECT treatment in his final year that left him a wreck, "and erasing my memory, which is capital, and putting me out of business? It was a brilliant cure, but we lost the patient."
Six months later, Heminway used his favourite shotgun to end his life.
Many American conservatives hold it as an article of faith that their Second Constitutional Amendment, the right to bear arms, protects their freedom.
Does this include the autonomous right to legitimately decide when to end your own life?
Or is suicide a sin?
(Excerpt) Read more at freedom-demokrasi-and-civilised-humanity.com ...
Sylvia
Plath
For what it’s worth, EH was stopped from walking into a spinning propeller, and from trying to jump from a plane, in his last months. Suicides find a way.
You don’t need a gun to commit suicide, so 2A Rights have nothing to do with the issue.
Is suicide a sin? Yes, I believe it is, as that is God’s decision when our lives will end. But I know there are those who suffer terribly at life-end, & in such cases, I’m sure it is forgiven.
Not much to draw from the excerpt, but the title is indeed rich.
Good thing he chose not to overdose on painkillers, or drown, jump, railroad, carbon monoxide...
It would seem a strange thing to me for God to sacrifice his Son for mankind, but then withhold salvation from those over petty reasons.
Depends, are we free citizens who belong to a Representative Republic; or are we Subjects who belong to the Government?
We are either free, or we are not
Our lives are either ours; or they belong to someone else
This is terribly depressing even to read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Plath
“Plath was clinically depressed for most of her adult life, and was treated multiple times with electroconvulsive therapy (ECT). She killed herself in 1963.”
Wasn’t he Che’s bud?
It would seem a strange thing to me for God to sacrifice his Son for mankind, but then withhold salvation from those over petty reasons.
Where did the headline originate? not in the article.
Ernest Hemingway and writer George Plimpton when he visited Cuba to watch Castro’s henchmen murder people.
Ernest Hemingway would setup chairs and drinks and watch the murders. Plimpton did not report what he saw. He later became a abc ‘reporter’, did specials, became famous. Only much much later did he reveal the truth.
Old Charlie stole the handle.
American conservatives hold it as an article of faith that their Second Constitutional Amendment, the right to bear arms, protects their freedom.
Does this include the autonomous right to legitimately decide when to end your own life?
“A well regulated militia being necessary for................”
There are other words in the 2nd besides guns.
Suicide is a choice. Choices have long lasting effects. For you and others.
“Hemingway’s behavior during his final years had been similar to that of his father before he killed himself; his father may have had hereditary hemochromatosis, whereby the excessive accumulation of iron in tissues culminates in mental and physical deterioration. Medical records made available in 1991 confirmed that Hemingway had been diagnosed with hemochromatosis in early 1961. His sister Ursula and his brother Leicester also killed themselves. Hemingway’s health was further complicated by heavy drinking throughout most of his life.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Hemingway
“Early diagnosis is vital, as the late effects of iron accumulation can be wholly prevented by periodic phlebotomies (by venesection) comparable in volume to blood donations.
“Phlebotomy (or bloodletting) is usually done at a weekly or each two weeks interval until ferritin levels are 50 μg/L or less. To prevent iron reaccumulation, subsequent phlebotomies are normally carried out about once every three to four months for males, and twice a year for females to keep the serum ferritin between 50 and 100 ug/L.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hereditary_haemochromatosis
Both!
The fuller meaning of "Do not murder" would be we are to promote life. IOW, the Good Samaritan did not rob and steal from the Jew, but aided and sought help for him. He went beyond not stealing and robbing to restoring the injured Jew. And when the crowd heard the parable (about the rabbi and priest ignoring the man) and Jesus asked who was the good neighbor of the three. They dare not say good Samaritan because of their prejudice but answered "the one who had mercy on him". We are to go beyond bare minimum requirements and to explore what does God want. God knows we are depressed, hurt and frightened at times. It is times like these we are to turn to Him. EH had the opportunity but pride or some other emotion got in the way. May God have mercy on his soul.
An idiotic question.
Suicide is one concept. The 2nd amendment is a second concept, totally unrelated.
More importantly, what law gave the goverment the right to jerk him up and make him undergo shock therapy?
As a side note, I'm from northern Michigan and my great grandfather had a Ford garage in Horton's Bay, near Walloon Lake where Hemingway had his cottage.
Hemingway was an avid trout fisherman and every time he vacationed in northern Michigan, he would always stop into my great grandfathers garage and they would sit on the porch and talk cars.
I found this out from my deceased uncle's memoires where he first met Hemingway in Cuba in the 50's when my uncle was running a charter boat service. He met Hemingway in a bar one night and the topic turned to Michigan and that's when Hemingway mentioned his friend who owned the garage, that turned out to be my uncle's grand father..........
I suppose Ernest said “I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than have a phlebotomy” or something akin to that.
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