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1 posted on 07/02/2023 3:38:02 PM PDT by Ozguy1945
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2 posted on 07/02/2023 3:42:49 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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The States are beginning to sanction suicide....

For what it’s worth, EH was stopped from walking into a spinning propeller, and from trying to jump from a plane, in his last months. Suicides find a way.

3 posted on 07/02/2023 3:45:00 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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You don’t need a gun to commit suicide, so 2A Rights have nothing to do with the issue.

Is suicide a sin? Yes, I believe it is, as that is God’s decision when our lives will end. But I know there are those who suffer terribly at life-end, & in such cases, I’m sure it is forgiven.


4 posted on 07/02/2023 3:49:42 PM PDT by Twotone
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Not much to draw from the excerpt, but the title is indeed rich.

Good thing he chose not to overdose on painkillers, or drown, jump, railroad, carbon monoxide...


5 posted on 07/02/2023 3:52:39 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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Depends, are we free citizens who belong to a Representative Republic; or are we Subjects who belong to the Government?

We are either free, or we are not

Our lives are either ours; or they belong to someone else


7 posted on 07/02/2023 3:54:33 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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Wasn’t he Che’s bud?


9 posted on 07/02/2023 3:55:40 PM PDT by JZelle
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Where did the headline originate? not in the article.


11 posted on 07/02/2023 3:58:25 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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Ernest Hemingway and writer George Plimpton when he visited Cuba to watch Castro’s henchmen murder people.
Ernest Hemingway would setup chairs and drinks and watch the murders. Plimpton did not report what he saw. He later became a abc ‘reporter’, did specials, became famous. Only much much later did he reveal the truth.


12 posted on 07/02/2023 3:58:35 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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American conservatives hold it as an article of faith that their Second Constitutional Amendment, the right to bear arms, protects their freedom.

Does this include the autonomous right to legitimately decide when to end your own life?


What does the 2nd say?

“A well regulated militia being necessary for................”

There are other words in the 2nd besides guns.

Suicide is a choice. Choices have long lasting effects. For you and others.


14 posted on 07/02/2023 4:05:15 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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“Hemingway’s behavior during his final years had been similar to that of his father before he killed himself; his father may have had hereditary hemochromatosis, whereby the excessive accumulation of iron in tissues culminates in mental and physical deterioration. Medical records made available in 1991 confirmed that Hemingway had been diagnosed with hemochromatosis in early 1961. His sister Ursula and his brother Leicester also killed themselves. Hemingway’s health was further complicated by heavy drinking throughout most of his life.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Hemingway

“Early diagnosis is vital, as the late effects of iron accumulation can be wholly prevented by periodic phlebotomies (by venesection) comparable in volume to blood donations.

“Phlebotomy (or bloodletting) is usually done at a weekly or each two weeks interval until ferritin levels are 50 μg/L or less. To prevent iron reaccumulation, subsequent phlebotomies are normally carried out about once every three to four months for males, and twice a year for females to keep the serum ferritin between 50 and 100 ug/L.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hereditary_haemochromatosis


15 posted on 07/02/2023 4:05:29 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (ARTICLE I SECTION 2....The President...may require the opinion, in writing)
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Does this include the autonomous right to legitimately decide when to end your own life? Or is suicide a sin?

Both!

16 posted on 07/02/2023 4:10:48 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, roughneck, geologist, consultant, pilot, almost chemist, pharmacist)
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An idiotic question.

Suicide is one concept. The 2nd amendment is a second concept, totally unrelated.

More importantly, what law gave the goverment the right to jerk him up and make him undergo shock therapy?


18 posted on 07/02/2023 4:13:01 PM PDT by odawg
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While it was never recognized back then, it is now estimated that his suicide was due to Chronic traumatic encephalopathy caused by the numerous concussions he experienced prior to his suicide.

As a side note, I'm from northern Michigan and my great grandfather had a Ford garage in Horton's Bay, near Walloon Lake where Hemingway had his cottage.

Hemingway was an avid trout fisherman and every time he vacationed in northern Michigan, he would always stop into my great grandfathers garage and they would sit on the porch and talk cars.

I found this out from my deceased uncle's memoires where he first met Hemingway in Cuba in the 50's when my uncle was running a charter boat service. He met Hemingway in a bar one night and the topic turned to Michigan and that's when Hemingway mentioned his friend who owned the garage, that turned out to be my uncle's grand father..........

19 posted on 07/02/2023 4:13:06 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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Neither the Second Amendment to the Bill of Rights, nor weapons are due, for Hemingway’s decision.

From his youth, he knew many hopeless situations but no course correction by contributors, and little of faith nor of hope, from “experts” in medicine and religion.

Pure praire and the elements, confronted without end.

I suspect that, there he was with nobody to draw the curtain.


23 posted on 07/02/2023 4:19:53 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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One of his cats pulled the trigger.

That scene at the end of No Country for Old Men with Barry Corbin seemed like a shout out to Key West Hemingway.


24 posted on 07/02/2023 4:23:56 PM PDT by struggle
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If you didn’t create your life, how does it make any sense to think you have the right to destroy it?


25 posted on 07/02/2023 4:30:10 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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Anyone who says they know God will forgive suicide is lying.


27 posted on 07/02/2023 4:36:00 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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A very good friend’s nephew recently did the same as Hemingway. The technique doesn’t matter. The result is the issue.


31 posted on 07/02/2023 4:44:53 PM PDT by sasquatch
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Suicide is illegal and is punishable by death.


40 posted on 07/02/2023 5:26:20 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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Hemingway had all three of the most important risk factors for middle age suicide...

(1) Alcohol abuse

(2) Clinical Depression

(3) Family history of suicide

He also had marital issues - blew off his head at the foot of the stairs his wife would have to descend to leave the house.

I think The Sun Also Rises is the most interesting novel I have ever read. It is the only literary novel I have read more than once.


45 posted on 07/02/2023 5:35:48 PM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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