Brigham Young - American Wisdom

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[Ozguy1945]

Brigham Young, born on June 1, 18o1, lead his people to find a safe place for themselves in the Salt Lake Vally and found Salt Lake City.

He said: "Education is the power to think clearly, the power to act well in the world's work, and the power to appreciate life."

"The biggest labor problem is tomorrow."

"Nature is the glass reflecting God, as by the sea reflected is the sun, too glorious to be gazed on in his sphere."

God Bless Brigham Young

[Elsie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5evKY5n0GM

[Elsie]

There are many differences between Christianity and mormonism - they are not the same religion by any means. the mormons themselves will tell you that.

We really do have to give the Mormons a big hand for the way they meticulously keep records.

What would we do without all of these fine quotes??

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Orson Pratt proclaimed:

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer).  

Page 273 found HERE LINK

More confusion:  LINK

 

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Questions put to Joseph Smith:

"'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness."

Found in section 3 --> http://www.boap.org/LDS/Joseph-Smith/Teachings/T3.html  (search for 119)

 

 

"for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12).

Found here --->  LINK

 

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world"

Found in section 5 --> http://www.boap.org/LDS/Joseph-Smith/Teachings/T3.html  (search for 270)

 

 

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Brigham Young stated this repeatedly:

"When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses Section 5 page 73);

"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses  Section  8 page 171);

"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses Section  8 page 199);

"Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses Section 10  page 230).

"And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses Section  6 page 24);

 

 

 

 

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Orson Pratt also said:

"This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , Section 18, page 44);

"But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , Section 18 page 172).

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President John Taylor stated:

"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , Section 6 page 167);

"Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , Section 10 page 127).

 

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James Talmage said:

"A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

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President Joseph Fielding Smith said:

"Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266).

"For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

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More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear:

"Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265);

"a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.123);

"virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.250);

"Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.290).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said:

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).  <-- can't find an onlink link, but there ARE a lot of hard copy books for sale that include this quote.

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated:

"the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , Section 2, page 196).

 

[Elsie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_handcart_pioneers

[Elsie]

What did GOD tell him???

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/136?lang=eng

[cherry]

but lets not think about the 9 yro girls.....

but God bless Brigham young and the mormons for their tax protected $100 billion that they have squirreled away in "investments"....because some day they're actually going to be the good Christians they claim to be....

[Elsie]

Compare to...

Deuteronomy 29:5 niv

Yet the LORD says, “During the forty years that I led you through the wilderness, your clothes did not wear out, nor did the sandals on your feet.

[Robwin]

34 But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while. 35 Then he addressed the Sanhedrin: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. 36 Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. 37 After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. 38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.” Acts 5:34-39 Hate to tell you anti-Mormons but it has prospered. Why?

[Elsie]

The “Mormon Church” produces on average the most faithful servants of God this world knows.

What metrics are used to come up with this data?

[Elsie]

Hate to tell you anti-Mormons but it has prospered. Why?

Good question!

Can we also ask this of Islam?

Hinduism??

There is a little something about wheat and tares that is even found in an LDS quad.

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PS

We ain't anti-mormon, but anti-mormonISM.

[Elsie]

Doctrine and Covenants

Section 114 http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/114?lang=eng

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Far West, Missouri, 17 April 1838 (see History of the Church, 3:23).

 

Church positions held by those who are not faithful will be given to others.

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1. Verily thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto all the world.

2. For verily thus saith the Lord, that inasmuch as there are those among you who deny my name, others shall be planted in their stead and receive their bishopric.

Amen.

 

 

Sorry to inform the 'faithful'; but Dave died on October 25, 1838

[Elsie]

  

  

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 14

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet to David Whitmer, at Fayette, New York, June 1829. The Whitmer family had become greatly interested in the translating of the Book of Mormon. The Prophet established his residence at the home of Peter Whitmer Sr., where he dwelt until the work of translation was carried to completion and the copyright on the forthcoming book was secured. Three of the Whitmer sons, each having received a testimony as to the genuineness of the work, became deeply concerned over the matter of their individual duty. This revelation and the two following (sections 15 and 16) were given in answer to an inquiry through the Urim and Thummim. David Whitmer later became one of the Three Witnesses to the Book of Mormon.

Section 15 Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet to John Whitmer, at Fayette, New York, June 1829 (see the heading to section 14).    The message is intimately and impressively personal in that the Lord tells of what was known only to John Whitmer and Himself.    John Whitmer later became one of the Eight Witnesses to the Book of Mormon. 1–2, The Lord’s arm is over all the earth; 3–6, To preach the gospel and save souls is the thing of most worth.    1 Hearken, my servant John, and listen to the words of Jesus Christ, your Lord and your Redeemer.  2 For behold, I speak unto you with sharpness and with power, for mine arm is over all the earth.  3 And I will tell you that which no man knoweth save me and thee alone—  4 For many times you have desired of me to know that which would be of the most worth unto you.  5 Behold, blessed are you for this thing, and for speaking my words which I have given unto you according to my commandments.  6 And now, behold, I say unto you, that the thing which will be of the most worth unto you will be to declare repentance unto this people, that you may bring souls unto me, that you may rest with them in the kingdom of my Father. Amen.

Section 16 Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet to Peter Whitmer Jr., at Fayette, New York, June 1829 (see the heading to section 14).          Peter Whitmer Jr.  later became one of the Eight Witnesses to the Book of Mormon. 1–2, The Lord’s arm is over all the earth; 3–6, To preach the gospel and save souls is the thing of most worth.   1 Hearken, my servant Peter, and listen to the words of Jesus Christ, your Lord and your Redeemer.  2 For behold, I speak unto you with sharpness and with power, for mine arm is over all the earth.  3 And I will tell you that which no man knoweth save me and thee alone—  4 For many times you have desired of me to know that which would be of the most worth unto you.  5 Behold, blessed are you for this thing, and for speaking my words which I have given unto you according to my commandments.  6 And now, behold, I say unto you, that the thing which will be of the most worth unto you will be to declare repentance unto this people, that you may bring souls unto me, that you may rest with them in the kingdom of my Father. Amen.

 

 

 

 

 

And it came to pass that GOD said:

 

"Sorry about the duplicate.  Pete just slipped my mind.

Just forget that 'and thee alone' thing."

 

[MeganC]

Mmmmmmmmm....donuts!!!!

[daniel1212]

So much for a noble American:

Young’s defiant stance toward outside authority meant frequent clashes with the federal government, especially after the church’s public embrace of plural marriage in 1852. In 1857, President James Buchanan declared Utah to be in a state of rebellion, and sent some 2,500 federal troops to help replace Young as territorial governor. The Utah War was resolved in 1858, with Young agreeing to step aside in favor of the new governor (though he remained de facto leader in the territory).

Amid the tensions, however, a band of armed Mormons attacked a wagon train of non-Mormons heading west from Arkansas in a valley known as Mountain Meadows in September 1857. After a standoff of several days, the Mormons called a truce, only to massacre most of the wagon train party, including some 120 men, women and children. Though many suspected Young of ordering or at least covering up the attack, John Lee, an adopted son of Young’s, was the only Mormon brought to trial for the Mountain Meadows massacre; he was executed in 1877. - https://www.history.com/topics/religion/brigham-young#section_4

[21twelve]

At least the Samaritans were monotheists as were the mainstream Jews in the south.

[21twelve]

IIRC Joseph Smith used the seer stone to find the best locations for water wells first.

[Elsie]

Though many suspected Young of ordering or at least covering up the attack, John Lee, an adopted son of Young’s, was the only Mormon brought to trial for the Mountain Meadows massacre; he was executed in 1877. -

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"I am a true believer in the gospel of Jesus Christ, I do not believe everything that is now being taught and practiced by Brigham Young.

 I do not care who hears it. It is my last word - it is so.

 I believe he is lead­ing the people astray, downward to destruction.

 But I believe in the gospel that was taught in its purity by Joseph Smith, in former days.

 I have my reasons for it.

 

"I studied to make this man's [Brigham Young] will my pleasure for thirty years.

See, now, what I have come to this day!

 

"I have been sacrificed in a cowardly, dastardly manner." (Lee enun­ciated this sentence with marked emphasis.)

 

 

Excerpted from -->  http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mountainmeadows/leeexecution.html

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https://preview.redd.it/zi8kpo9rnsry.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=5e80a3414dee2ba7666b4d4590d5e94a15e32461

Last foto of John D. Lee before execution.

[Elsie]

...and other stuff... ;^)

https://www.ldsdiscussions.com/treasure-digging

[SaveFerris]

Wow, that’s in the D&C?

[Elsie]

Sho nuff!

 

Doctrine and Covenants 114 (churchofjesuschrist.org)

 

David W. Patten - Wikipedia