Can probably leave out LA now and need a new governor for TX. Could take parts of oter states like TN minus Nashville. KY would have to ditch Mitch before being allowed. Take Southern IL, all of Indiana and maybe OH and WV. GA minus Atlanta.
Posted on 03/17/2023 8:13:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Around 20 percent of Americans, equivalent to 66 million people, support the idea of a “national divorce” that was recently floated by Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), according to a new Ipsos poll.
The idea is far more popular among Republicans than Democrats, with 25 percent of GOP voters wanting to break away and form a conservative nation, compared to just 16 percent of Democrats.
The poll explains:
While the opposition is high, confidence in American democracy is low; only 37% of Americans are optimistic about the state of American democracy. Decisive majorities of Democrats and Republicans are against breaking up the U.S., even as some partisan differences exist at the margins.
However, the pollsters explain that when asked about their state potentially seceding from the union, support for the idea softens even more:
“Only 16% of Americans would support their state seceding and leaving the United States to form or join a new country, while opposition rises to 81%,” Ipsos notes.
The debate over a national divorce was initiated by Greene, who argued it would be an effective way to prevent blue states from imposing their leftist policies on red states.
“We need a national divorce. We need to separate by red states and blue states and shrink the federal government,” Greene wrote on Twitter. “Everyone I talk to says this. From the sick and disgusting woke culture issues shoved down our throats to the Democrat’s [sic] traitorous America Last policies, we are done.”
We need a national divorce.
We need to separate by red states and blue states and shrink the federal government.
Everyone I talk to says this.
From the sick and disgusting woke culture issues shoved down our throats to the Democrat’s traitorous America Last policies, we are… https://t.co/Azn8YF1UUy
— Marjorie Taylor Greene 🇺🇸 (@mtgreenee) February 20, 2023
This was not the first time that Greene proposed the idea of breaking up the union. In late 2021, Greene said voters who brought “ruin” to California shouldn’t be allowed to do the same to the increasingly Republican stronghold, Florida.
“All possible in a National Divorce scenario,” Greene wrote in December 2021. “After Democrat voters and big donors ruin a state like California, you would think it wise to stop them from doing it to another great state like Florida. Brainwashed people that move from CA and NY really need a cooling off period.”
All possible in a National Divorce scenario.
After Democrat voters and big donors ruin a state like California, you would think it wise to stop them from doing it to another great state like Florida.
Brainwashed people that move from CA and NY really need a cooling off period. https://t.co/NB2dVj7n2X— Marjorie Taylor Greene 🇺🇸 (@mtgreenee) December 29, 2021
However, the idea was shot down by War Room host Steve Bannon, a close ally of Greene’s, who pointed out that Republicans still control the majority of state governments.
“It’s something that I’m adamantly obviously opposed to, vehemently,” Bannon said on the podcast, according to Insider. “And I don’t even like some of these commentators starting to talk about it, for the simple reason we control two-thirds of the country.”
Although there are currently no substantial proposals in Washington to divide the country, there has been a surge in secessionist movements in certain states in recent years.
One such movement is aimed at separating rural eastern Oregon from the predominantly liberal state and incorporating it into deep red Idaho. This campaign has gained momentum, with politicians from both states voicing their support for the border shift.
Additionally, a Texas state lawmaker introduced a bill earlier in March that would allow voters to decide whether the state should investigate the feasibility of seceding from the US, popularly known as Texit.
The most recent case of intense political division leading to the separation of states occurred during the American Civil War. The conflict began on April 1861, and resulted in more than four years of devastating warfare, claiming an average of 500 lives per day.
you’re assuming people won’t be relocate.
a National divorce will require relocation of a lot of the population.
It’s not happening overnight, it would take 5-10 years for everything to settle down. lot of Federal assets and state assets to allocate, debt dealings, splitting SS and what not.
We need a convention of the states to force the federal government to limit its role to that outlined in the constitution and respect states rights! At least 90 percent of the federal government powers are not in line with the constitution.
Yes secession would take many years and American’s no longer have what it takes to do what is right and best for the future of the country. They are self absorbed uneducated greedy people who have been taught that the country owes them something for nothing. If the founders generation had been as useless as the current one we would still be under British rule, or worse if the American industrialization and spirit had not been able to help defeat Hitler. So sad to see the demicrats destroying this great nation right before our eyes.
I don't think that'll happen though because most people will quietly accept their shackles as long as the "bread and circuses" continue.
You've got that right!
I need the names of the individuals you would be willing to trust with the Constitution under a so called convention of States.
...and you need to explain how those you would be willing to trust get to be delegates to the so called convention of States.
...and once delegates, are they able to make sure the rules committee has the preservation of the present Constitution as their guide.
I suspect such a convention would be considered fair game by anyone on the left or in the media being offered their utopian political dream on a platter.
Such is the fallacy of those with a COS on their minds.
COS itself revels in the fact that nothing can go wrong as it takes 38 States to ratify and no one is going to ratify crap.
If you don’t believe “crap” will be the order of the day, just look at the “crap” we receive in the daily “crap” barrage from the left and the right. More “crap”, the better they like it.
Destruction of the Republic is job one.
110 percent agreement.
“RINOs would side with the Democrats in a Civil War.”
They always do side with the RATs.
And we ARE in a Civil War, though not kinetic yet.
A new country wouldn't do that.
Such a divorce was asked for in 1861. Instead those wantimg to leave were killed,their cities bombarded and homes and crops burnt. All by those claiming higher moral ground.
Like a wife being dragged back , beaten into submission.
And I mot pro-slavery.
Not
I wish one could edit one’s posts.
The founders intended the Constitution to limit the government but too many people want to use government to control everyone else.
That says it all.
I’m 100% sympathetic, but dividing the U.S.A. into smaller territories is not going to help. If leftists can undermine the U.S.A., they can undermine smaller, divided segments of it. National divorce won’t solve the underlying problem, which is the existence of marxists.
Can probably leave out LA now and need a new governor for TX. Could take parts of oter states like TN minus Nashville. KY would have to ditch Mitch before being allowed. Take Southern IL, all of Indiana and maybe OH and WV. GA minus Atlanta.
Well according to you their is no hope then. Kill youself..
Leftists would be deported from the classic liberal country.
I’m not going to argue with you given your mental disabilities. Your reading comprehension is atrocious, your thought process if f-d up, and you can’t spell.
So, while the secessionists gather to jump off a cliff, I’ve been told for years at FR that an Article V Convention of the States to restore free government is too dangerous to consider.
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