Posted on 03/17/2023 8:13:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Around 20 percent of Americans, equivalent to 66 million people, support the idea of a “national divorce” that was recently floated by Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), according to a new Ipsos poll.
The idea is far more popular among Republicans than Democrats, with 25 percent of GOP voters wanting to break away and form a conservative nation, compared to just 16 percent of Democrats.
The poll explains:
While the opposition is high, confidence in American democracy is low; only 37% of Americans are optimistic about the state of American democracy. Decisive majorities of Democrats and Republicans are against breaking up the U.S., even as some partisan differences exist at the margins.
However, the pollsters explain that when asked about their state potentially seceding from the union, support for the idea softens even more:
“Only 16% of Americans would support their state seceding and leaving the United States to form or join a new country, while opposition rises to 81%,” Ipsos notes.
The debate over a national divorce was initiated by Greene, who argued it would be an effective way to prevent blue states from imposing their leftist policies on red states.
“We need a national divorce. We need to separate by red states and blue states and shrink the federal government,” Greene wrote on Twitter. “Everyone I talk to says this. From the sick and disgusting woke culture issues shoved down our throats to the Democrat’s [sic] traitorous America Last policies, we are done.”
We need a national divorce.
We need to separate by red states and blue states and shrink the federal government.
Everyone I talk to says this.
From the sick and disgusting woke culture issues shoved down our throats to the Democrat’s traitorous America Last policies, we are… https://t.co/Azn8YF1UUy
— Marjorie Taylor Greene 🇺🇸 (@mtgreenee) February 20, 2023
This was not the first time that Greene proposed the idea of breaking up the union. In late 2021, Greene said voters who brought “ruin” to California shouldn’t be allowed to do the same to the increasingly Republican stronghold, Florida.
“All possible in a National Divorce scenario,” Greene wrote in December 2021. “After Democrat voters and big donors ruin a state like California, you would think it wise to stop them from doing it to another great state like Florida. Brainwashed people that move from CA and NY really need a cooling off period.”
All possible in a National Divorce scenario.
After Democrat voters and big donors ruin a state like California, you would think it wise to stop them from doing it to another great state like Florida.
Brainwashed people that move from CA and NY really need a cooling off period. https://t.co/NB2dVj7n2X— Marjorie Taylor Greene 🇺🇸 (@mtgreenee) December 29, 2021
However, the idea was shot down by War Room host Steve Bannon, a close ally of Greene’s, who pointed out that Republicans still control the majority of state governments.
“It’s something that I’m adamantly obviously opposed to, vehemently,” Bannon said on the podcast, according to Insider. “And I don’t even like some of these commentators starting to talk about it, for the simple reason we control two-thirds of the country.”
Although there are currently no substantial proposals in Washington to divide the country, there has been a surge in secessionist movements in certain states in recent years.
One such movement is aimed at separating rural eastern Oregon from the predominantly liberal state and incorporating it into deep red Idaho. This campaign has gained momentum, with politicians from both states voicing their support for the border shift.
Additionally, a Texas state lawmaker introduced a bill earlier in March that would allow voters to decide whether the state should investigate the feasibility of seceding from the US, popularly known as Texit.
The most recent case of intense political division leading to the separation of states occurred during the American Civil War. The conflict began on April 1861, and resulted in more than four years of devastating warfare, claiming an average of 500 lives per day.
I am one of them. I no longer want any leftist or liberal (otherwise known as democrats) to have any say in how I am governed.
It’s the only peaceful way. We cannot live together. They hate us. It’s going to turn violent at some point.
DEO VINDICE !!!
Celebrating Diversity means to just leave me the F alone.
Let me burn all the propane, Diesel, non-alcoholic gasoline, natural gas, wood that I want.
They can eat all the bugs they want. I don’t care.
When they put Trump in cuffs and fingerprint him next week we will see how close we are to violence.
Obvious trick to divide and then conquer the US. Don’t fall for it.
A friend floated this idea past me. I suggested that it would be the certain end of social security. She immediately changed her mind.
Weaker together then if we separate the fascist crap from the true america
We’ll die together or maybe survive alone.
I’ll take the gamble.
I am sure in reality the amount is much higher.
Good idea.
I’ve mentioned that idea for many years.
Let the blue states have their way,which is to fail for certain. But, let’s have the red areas in the blue states apply for independence from their states first. All red areas could hen unite to form the perfect union that our founding fathers wanted.
That is stupid. Any new country formed from former states of the USA will have a comparable Social Security system. Probably a good one. What a buffoon.
"Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever."
-- President Davis
A divorce might mean an amicable split, but split where?
Look at a ‘counties’ red and blue map of the 2020 and 2016 elections. Blue is mostly in large population areas; the remainder is red.
No, the only solution is as the previous civil war — winner takes all.
Aye, there's the rub.
We are all mixed up together, Red Ants and Blue Ants.
This town is not big enough for the both of us, but who will be leaving where they are and who will be staying where they are? Until that question is answered with some modicum of logic or likelyhood, this ain’t ever gonna happen, no matter who states the need for it.
Just conquer the cities and ship the populations to some commie shithole paradise. That’s what they want.
There’s no way to separate by politics. We’ll all intertwined. Every state whether red or blue has a huge minority of the other party. We just need to cap the debt ceiling to slap some sense into everyone, since they are living in a fantasy right now, of fake money, and used car salesmen leaders.
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When the economic crash comes then secession will follow. If there is a war a lot of personal grievances will get settled . Be careful.
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