https://indefenseofgrace.com/the-bible-is-not-a-catholic-book/
Posted on 01/23/2023 10:08:17 PM PST by Ozguy1945
Western societies are tearing themselves apart with enmity, injustice and conflict.
That is not what Our Lord created us to be.
We must return to the harmonious roots of our heritage.
Where people can be human.
God Bless The Freedom Where We Can Love Ourselves And Each Other
All true.
“catholic cult circular reasoning” ... excellent.
“Catholicism cult has had two thousand years to fabricate the cult dogma”
Really. They say, “We made up this stuff before other cults did, so ours is better”.
Mary was “saved.” , she was given the grace of God, indeed filled with grace as the angel said.
Sacred Scripture indicates that salvation can also refer to man being protected from sinning before the fact:
Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever. (Jude 24-25)
Paul wote , “All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.”
But that ALL also excludes Jesus.
No faithful Christian would dare say that. Yet no Christian can deny the plain texts of Scripture declaring Christ’s full humanity either. Thus, to take 1 John 1:8 in a strict, literal sense would apply “any man” to Jesus as well.
The truth is Jesus Christ was an exception to Romans 3:23 and 1 John 1:8. And the Bible tells us he was in Hebrews 4:15: “Christ was tempted in all points even as we are and yet he was without sin.”
Romans 3:23 and 1 John 1:9 deal with personal rather than original sin. (Romans 5 deals with original sin.).
The context makes it clear: None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands, no one seeks for God. All have turned aside, together they have gone wrong; no one does good, not even one. Their throat is an open grave. They use their tongues to deceive. The venom of asps is under their lips. Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness. (Rom. 3:10-14)
Original sin is not something we do; it is something we’ve inherited. Romans chapter three deals with personal sin because it speaks of sins committed by the sinner.
Another example is the way cronos insists the catholicism interpretation of John 3 be taken as if the priestly class uses water THEN one can be born of the spirit, when the entire context shows that the water being referred to is the water of birth . But no, the priestly class has power to erase sin BEFORE the Spirit moves according to the cult speak.
Except for Mary —Rome
‘tis like a Celtic circle - all braided and inner woven, to give it strength
Except for Mary.
--Rome
Breathing is not something we do; it is something we’ve inherited.
Our standard of holiness is the God-preserved unassailable guidance of the Holy Spirit (1 Jn. 2:26-27, 1Tim. 1:3-4). Your Platonic Gentile “scholars” Martyr and Origen and Clement of Alexandrian cannot hold a candle to George Mueller or John Nelson Darby or William Kelly, or the hundreds and hundred of spiritually elders who have surmounted the plurality of false reasonings projected by the ongoing spiritual blindness of the Romanist bullies of godly regenerated expositors.
These false prophets preaching a false christ forward it in a murderous way, trying to extinguish the testimony of spirit-born heralds of the True Gospel (JESUS SAVES!) and their Scriptures by a persecuting logic-free vengeance not emanating from my Heavenly Father and Mighty Judge.
Are you a part of that devilish effort, Cronos? That acclaims that vain, stultifying proposition “Exra ecclesiam salus” (outside the [RC]Church ther is no salvation”? That power-grabbing of the giving of ongoing life is a wholly demonstrable Scripture misrepresentation of how God works through The Lord Jesus Christ.
In my Book, one cannot become God’s pardoned child and member of the hurc of The First-born, written in Heaven (Jn. 3:3,5-6; Heb. 12:23) until one IS redeemed by one’s complete admission of full depraved sinful inability to avoid a hellish death except by one’s unreserved confidence in the power and desire of the Crucified One to save him/her, be cleansed of all unrighteous through His Applied Shed Blood; and be sworn into the ompany of The Committed by the rite of induction, which is baptism by immersion—not into life eternal (which the candidate already possesses from his/her irreversible Spiritual birth)—but into a life of instructions learned and applied in progressive sanctification unto death.
Only then does he/she become a member of a local assembly to de elop the armed competent warrior in the spiritual combat to vanuish sin in the world and in one’s own self.
Neither tbe RCC,nor am y other supra- church splinter of these servants of Nicolaitanism (a clergy assignmed to overwhelm spiritually immature “lay” people with rituals and degrees and liceses), or e en a faithfully constituted independent autonamous Bible-preaching assembly that exercises church disciple— one of these “saves” anyone.
Only Jesus saves, and that is outside the power or delegated authority of any church conglomeration of any kind.
Sure. As for anyone who has had Koi e as a first or second language. Especially those in the second century in the second century who now were in possession of parts of what became the canon of New Testament autographs or apographs, but were still not quite in agreement with what they had been taught orally, but which were still being misconstrued or delibrately opposed by Judaizing competitors, especially those Greeks (not Jews) who were pushing the unwanted and unwarranted Gospel-destroying Replacement Theology in which the RCC is now esconced and blocking suffering lost sinners from seeing God’ Plan of Salvation and Service to the True Biblical Lord Jesus Messiah.
Thank you for the ping. I skimmed the thread and did notice one thing we should commend our friends from Rome for doing - posting Scripture. Even if it is misunderstood, it is far better than quoting religion, scholars, or theologians. If they will only continue in the Word, Revelation will come. And the TRUTH will MAKE THEM FREE!
Yes. You can’t go wrong with Scripture.
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1st paragraph:
. . . on ones one's conscience . . .
2nd paragraph:
. . . of spiritually mature elders . . .
4th paragraph:
. . . “Exra ecclesiam nulla salus” (outside the [RC]Church there is no salvation)”?
5th paragraph:
. . . member of the Church of The First-born, . . .
. . . be cleansed of all unrighteous (1 Jn. 1:9) through His Applied Shed Blood; . . .
. . . . and be sworn into the Company of The Committed . . .
6th paragraph:
Only then does he/she become a member of a local assembly to develop the armed competent warrior in the spiritual combat to vanquish sin in the world and in one’s own self.
7th paragraph:
Neither tbe RCC,nor am y other supra- church splinter . . .
Neither the RCC, nor any other supra-church splinter . . .
. . . rituals and degrees and licenses . . .
. . . or even a faithfully constituted independent autonoamous Bible-preaching assembly . . .
— one of these “saves” anyone.
— no one of these “saves” anyone.
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Acts 2
[37] Now when they had heard these things, they had compunction in their heart, and said to Peter, and to the rest of the apostles: What shall we do, men and brethren?
[38] But Peter said to them: Do penance, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins: and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is to you, and to your children, and to all that are far off, whomsoever the Lord our God shall call. [40] And with very many other words did he testify and exhort them, saying: Save yourselves from this perverse generation.
[41] They therefore that received his word, were baptized; and there were added in that day about three thousand souls.
That is Peter speaking at the inauguration of the Catholic Church at Pentecost in circa 33 AD
Next, you refer to the second book of st. Peter , written about 30 years later - circa 60 AD
Here St. Peter affirms—with additional support from St. Paul—the peril of reading Scripture apart from the divinely appointed teaching authority of the apostles and their successors. And that is why St. Paul can refer to the Church as “the pillar and bulwark of the truth” (1 Timothy 3:15).
Seeing then that all these things are to be dissolved, what manner of people ought you to be in holy conversation and godliness?
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of the Lord, by which the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with the burning heat?
[13] But we look for new heavens and a new earth according to his promises, in which justice dwelleth. [14] Wherefore, dearly beloved, waiting for these things, be diligent that you may be found before him unspotted and blameless in peace.
[15] And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you:
[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.
[17] You therefore, brethren, knowing these things before, take heed, lest being led aside by the error of the unwise, you fall from your own steadfastness. [18] But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and unto the day of eternity. Amen.
Note that be diligent that you may be found before him unspotted and blameless in peace. - the sacraments
2 Peter tells people to stick to the Apostolic faith as passed down by the apostles - and seen today in the Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental and Assyrian churches and to a large extent in the Lutheran
sola fide and sola Scriptura -- that isn't the topic here. Stay on topic - we can refer to that in a separate thread (and have)
in Matthew 17:14-18, we are told how Jesus cast out a demon from a young boy because of an appeal by the boy's father:
"When they came to the crowd, a man approached, knelt down before Him, and said, 'Lord, have pity on my son for he is a lunatic and suffers severly...."
And Jesus heals the boy because of the father's faith. Now, obviously, it was not possible for this boy to have faith in Jesus on his own. He was psychologically and spiritually disturbed (whether naturally or supernaturally); yet Jesus used the father's faith to make him whole again. So, if such a thing is possible with demonic possession, why should Baptism be any different?
Many retarded and/or insane people do not have the ability to reason so as to "accept Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior" (as the Evangelicals say ;-) Yet, didn't Jesus come to save them as well? Don't they need to be Baptized into Christ? (Rom 6:3; Gal 3:27)
Well, if so, then why should we assume that the ability to reason is necessary for Baptism? Why can't babies be Baptized before they reach the age of reason?
Well, an Evangelical might tell you that it's because the ability to reason is necessary before one can sin. And, indeed, that is very true. We Catholics have an old expression:
"If there's no knowledge, then there's no responsibility. If there's no responsibility, then there's no sin."
So, our Evangelical brothers and sisters try to apply this to Baptism. In the case of an infant or a retarded person, they will say that these lack the ability to reason, and therefore they are free of guilt. And, again, that is very true. However, think about what it implies. :-) What this implies is that infants and retarded people do not need a Savior! Which, to us Catholics, is completely ridiculous. :-)
We know from Scripture itself that Christ came to save everybody, including infants and retarded people. He is their Savior just as much as He is the Savior of rational, healthy adults.
So, the real issue with those who deny infant Baptism is that they deny the reality of what we call original sin, something which non-Catholics usually confuse with "original guilt" (which Catholics DO NOT believe in). For example, we do not hold that a child is born guilty of sin. That is not the Catholic position at all. Rather, we believe that the child is personally innocent; however, because of the sin of Adam and Eve, the child is born with a "macula" (in Latin, a "dark spot") -- a lack of the light of God's grace in the soul (something the Virgin Mary did not lack, and so she is the Im-maculate Conception).
This lack of God's light (grace) is why we have an inclination toward sin; and all people (whether they have the ability to reason or not) suffer from it. Yet, in Baptism, we receive the Holy Spirit, and become adopted sons and daughters of God. The light of God's grace dwells in our souls, and so we have the ability to overcome our sinful inclinations and live as the children of God we are called to be.
And this is why we believe that Baptism is a Sacrament. It is not something which we do to ourselves, but it's something that is done to us by God through the ministry of His Church. We merely accept it; or someone else accepts it for us.
more detail here in case you are interested
we read through the entire bible - Old Testament, New Testament
Theologians are to point out historical facts, as shown here that infant baptism was noted right from the 1st century.
Mary was “saved.” , she was given the grace of God, indeed filled with grace as the angel said.
Sacred Scripture indicates that salvation can also refer to man being protected from sinning before the fact:
Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever. (Jude 24-25)
Paul wote , “All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.”
But that ALL also excludes Jesus.
No faithful Christian would dare say that. Yet no Christian can deny the plain texts of Scripture declaring Christ’s full humanity either. Thus, to take 1 John 1:8 in a strict, literal sense would apply “any man” to Jesus as well.
The truth is Jesus Christ was an exception to Romans 3:23 and 1 John 1:8. And the Bible tells us he was in Hebrews 4:15: “Christ was tempted in all points even as we are and yet he was without sin.”
Romans 3:23 and 1 John 1:9 deal with personal rather than original sin. (Romans 5 deals with original sin.).
The context makes it clear: None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands, no one seeks for God. All have turned aside, together they have gone wrong; no one does good, not even one. Their throat is an open grave. They use their tongues to deceive. The venom of asps is under their lips. Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness. (Rom. 3:10-14)
Original sin is not something we do; it is something we’ve inherited. Romans chapter three deals with personal sin because it speaks of sins committed by the sinner.
Usually it's words from their church leaders and teachers that gets posted, but when Scripture IS used, it is almost ALWAYS followed by an explanation of what it means - by those same leaders and teachers.
And you know this fact how?
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