Posted on 10/20/2021 1:35:55 PM PDT by ducttape45
Audio has leaked of a White House official discussing how to combat people who declare a religious exemption from the vaccine mandate.
Human Events senior editor Jack Posobiec first reported the story on the Human Events Daily podcast.
In the audio from September, DOJ attorney Marty Lederman is heard advising the Biden administration on how to fight back against employees religious exemption requests from the federal vaccine mandate.
In audio of the call the attorney can be heard saying that in “cases, for instance in the New York case that’s currently going on against the State of New York, the Thomas More Society is representing a bunch of doctors and nurses who claim that they would sin gravely in cooperation with the evil of abortion. How would they be doing so? The claim is that all three of the current vaccines, either have fetal cells that were obtained by abortions in the vaccine itself, or in the case of Pfizer and Moderna that those vaccines were tested using fetal cells that had been aborted, and even the connection to the previous testing, makes them cooperative with evil in a way that their religion prohibits.
“I don’t want to say anything too categorical but I believe that this claim will be very difficult for agencies to successfully claim that’s either insincere or not religious, even if it is. Even if we know that many of those claims are not sincere, or are sincere but not religions, this is the most common behavior you’re going to confront probably, and it’s likely that you will have to take as a given the employee’s claim.
“Not always, right, but one response that some hospitals have started to give is, ‘well do you know that Tylenol, and Tums, and Preparation H, those were all tested using aborted fetal cell lines, too.’ And I expect that employees will then say ‘well I didn’t know that, but now that you tell me that and I’ll stop using those products as well.’
“And then we will turn to the, ‘what does the government have to do once the employee makes that shown.’ And here, basically there is a compelling interest, obviously, in keeping our workforce and the public with which we interact safe from COVID.”
As Posobiec said, the indication appears to be that the administration doubts the sincerely held religious beliefs of the people claiming religious exemptions from the vaccine.
But even if they are sincere in their beliefs, the administration is actively looking for ways to circumvent the objections to the mandate.
Biden, who is a Catholic, which is a faith that opposes abortion, has danced around that for decades.
In June, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki was asked about the president’s faith and how that squares with his support for abortion rights.
“The US Conference of Catholic Bishops are writing a document to clarify who should receive communion,” the reporter said at a White House press briefing. “This is targeted at politicians who have high public profiles. What’s the president’s reaction to this?”
“Joe Biden is a strong man of faith and as he noted just a couple of days ago, it’s personal. He goes to church nearly every weekend. He even went when we were on our overseas trip. But it’s personal to him, he doesn’t see it through a political prism, and we’re not going to comment on the inner workings of the Catholic Church,” she said.
The reporter then asked if the decision by the bishops would have the President “reconsider his public support for policies that increase access to abortion or abortion rights?”
“Again,” she said. “the President’s faith is personal. It is something that has helped guide him through some challenging moments in his life. And that’s how many Americans see their faith as well. Not through a political prism. So I would suspect that he will continue to attend church, as he has for many, many years.”
Naturally acquired immunity should trump everything if they actually believed in science, but they don’t.
If anyone wants on this list, let me know. I initially geared it towards federal employees, contractors and the military, but it looks like it may grow and reach out to a larger audience.
bfl
People may find this helpful…
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/-coffee-and-covid-wednesday-october-68f
Coffee & Covid Wednesday, October 20, 2021 SECOND RELIGIOUS ACCOMMODATION PRIMER—A Full Example
A second, detailed primer on drafting Religious Accommodation requests, including a complete sample letter from me, and answers to the new, improved government-standard ones that are popping up now.
Jeff Childers, Oct 20, 2021
I found it odd yesterday when two clients recited the exact same language from some new questions their employers were asking them about their religious accommodation (RA) request. The questions were almost identical, even though the two employers were completely unrelated. One was a federal agency, — HUD. The other was a smaller airline, JetBlue. Exact same questions. Appeared on the same day.
Not a coincidence.
I thought, dammit, they’re doing it again. The writhing tentacles of the federal government, grasping out from D.C. and spreading like cancerous threads through all our private businesses. The new questions are just a way to gather evidence against you folks, to defeat your RA claims. The good news is, what they WERE doing must not be working, so now they’re trying this more aggressive approach. I suspect they are responding to the new losses they are having in federal courts recently on Title VII RA grounds. They’ve been getting dinged for failing to accommodate the RA’s, and courts are rejecting their lame arguments that they just can’t figure out how to accommodate them.
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Much, much more at the links.
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They got away with attacking the 1st amendment during 2020. They shut down churches and many Christians and pastors went along with it. After all, it “was for the best” and that “would be the only time.”
The tyranny doesn't end here if they are successful in killing the religious exception, expect it to continue.
Please add me to the list.
That's what they said all spring and summer last year. Herd immunity. Some might say they kept moving the goalposts. but my response is "What f*cking goalposts?!"
If you have a vaccine mandate ping list, please include me :)
Thank you!
So I would suspect that he will continue to attend church, as he has for many, many years.”
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Maybe he can quickly attend ‘church’ one last time.
And Bill will laugh, then cry.
I wanted to reference these so folks won't think it's just another InfoWars/Alex Jones production. Let's face it, he's not well liked everywhere but I initially saw this on his website and wanted to see if it was referenced in other places.
Ping.
The most coherent discussion of the religious exemption discussion that I’ve been able to find is on the “VivaBarnes” podcast, where Robert Barnes makes a pretty convincing case that the efforts of the government and the corporations to interrogate the “sincerity” of their employee’s beliefs will simply not work if people stand firm.
This will certainly be tested in court, but very few people can afford to go out and hire a lawyer individually. Some people may be able to join into a class action, and maybe there’s some way to crowd fund some cases.
A lot of people are going to have to get very organized, very quickly.
Got you added!
Got you added as well!
Later
These COVID-19 vaccines have been developed with the use of Fetal cell lines (HEK 293) which involves the harvesting of tissue from a living child, AFTER its birth.
https://www.crisismagazine.com/2021/catholic-conscience-and-the-covid-19-vaccine
If Joke’s faith is “personal,” which relieves him of any fallout with regard to his support for abortion, then my decision not to get an experimental vaccine that I’m not comfortable with is also “personal,” and thereby sacrosanct. Easy peasy.
Marxists deserve no quarter in the U.S.
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