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Leaked White House Call Shows DOJ Lawyer Discussing How To Undercut Vaccine Religious Exemption Claims
Conservative Daily Wire ^ | 10/20/2021 | Mark Miller

Posted on 10/20/2021 1:35:55 PM PDT by ducttape45

Audio has leaked of a White House official discussing how to combat people who declare a religious exemption from the vaccine mandate.

Human Events senior editor Jack Posobiec first reported the story on the Human Events Daily podcast.

In the audio from September, DOJ attorney Marty Lederman is heard advising the Biden administration on how to fight back against employees religious exemption requests from the federal vaccine mandate.

In audio of the call the attorney can be heard saying that in “cases, for instance in the New York case that’s currently going on against the State of New York, the Thomas More Society is representing a bunch of doctors and nurses who claim that they would sin gravely in cooperation with the evil of abortion. How would they be doing so? The claim is that all three of the current vaccines, either have fetal cells that were obtained by abortions in the vaccine itself, or in the case of Pfizer and Moderna that those vaccines were tested using fetal cells that had been aborted, and even the connection to the previous testing, makes them cooperative with evil in a way that their religion prohibits.

“I don’t want to say anything too categorical but I believe that this claim will be very difficult for agencies to successfully claim that’s either insincere or not religious, even if it is. Even if we know that many of those claims are not sincere, or are sincere but not religions, this is the most common behavior you’re going to confront probably, and it’s likely that you will have to take as a given the employee’s claim.

“Not always, right, but one response that some hospitals have started to give is, ‘well do you know that Tylenol, and Tums, and Preparation H, those were all tested using aborted fetal cell lines, too.’ And I expect that employees will then say ‘well I didn’t know that, but now that you tell me that and I’ll stop using those products as well.’

“And then we will turn to the, ‘what does the government have to do once the employee makes that shown.’ And here, basically there is a compelling interest, obviously, in keeping our workforce and the public with which we interact safe from COVID.”

As Posobiec said, the indication appears to be that the administration doubts the sincerely held religious beliefs of the people claiming religious exemptions from the vaccine.

But even if they are sincere in their beliefs, the administration is actively looking for ways to circumvent the objections to the mandate.

Biden, who is a Catholic, which is a faith that opposes abortion, has danced around that for decades.

In June, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki was asked about the president’s faith and how that squares with his support for abortion rights.

“The US Conference of Catholic Bishops are writing a document to clarify who should receive communion,” the reporter said at a White House press briefing. “This is targeted at politicians who have high public profiles. What’s the president’s reaction to this?”

“Joe Biden is a strong man of faith and as he noted just a couple of days ago, it’s personal. He goes to church nearly every weekend. He even went when we were on our overseas trip. But it’s personal to him, he doesn’t see it through a political prism, and we’re not going to comment on the inner workings of the Catholic Church,” she said.

The reporter then asked if the decision by the bishops would have the President “reconsider his public support for policies that increase access to abortion or abortion rights?”

“Again,” she said. “the President’s faith is personal. It is something that has helped guide him through some challenging moments in his life. And that’s how many Americans see their faith as well. Not through a political prism. So I would suspect that he will continue to attend church, as he has for many, many years.”


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Looks like Biden and his cronies are trying anyway they can get rid of the religious, conservative right by any means possible. Vaccine mandates, working behind the scenes to deny religious exemptions. You better believe folks where I work are going to hear about this.
1 posted on 10/20/2021 1:35:55 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: ducttape45
Biden, who is poses as a Catholic...
2 posted on 10/20/2021 1:37:14 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte (11/3-11/4/2020 - The USA became a banana republic.)
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To: ducttape45

Naturally acquired immunity should trump everything if they actually believed in science, but they don’t.


3 posted on 10/20/2021 1:37:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong)
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To: boxlunch; M Kehoe; WinMod70; Irish Eyes; Sequoyah101; little jeremiah; laplata; 5th MEB; ...
Vaccine Mandate Ping list

If anyone wants on this list, let me know. I initially geared it towards federal employees, contractors and the military, but it looks like it may grow and reach out to a larger audience.

4 posted on 10/20/2021 1:37:54 PM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: ducttape45

bfl


5 posted on 10/20/2021 1:38:19 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (China is like the Third Reich. We are Mussolini's Italy. A weaker, Jr partner, good at losing wars.)
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To: ducttape45

People may find this helpful…

http://coffeeandcovid.com/

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/-coffee-and-covid-wednesday-october-68f

Coffee & Covid Wednesday, October 20, 2021 SECOND RELIGIOUS ACCOMMODATION PRIMER—A Full Example

A second, detailed primer on drafting Religious Accommodation requests, including a complete sample letter from me, and answers to the new, improved government-standard ones that are popping up now.
Jeff Childers, Oct 20, 2021

I found it odd yesterday when two clients recited the exact same language from some new questions their employers were asking them about their religious accommodation (RA) request. The questions were almost identical, even though the two employers were completely unrelated. One was a federal agency, — HUD. The other was a smaller airline, JetBlue. Exact same questions. Appeared on the same day.
Not a coincidence.

I thought, dammit, they’re doing it again. The writhing tentacles of the federal government, grasping out from D.C. and spreading like cancerous threads through all our private businesses. The new questions are just a way to gather evidence against you folks, to defeat your RA claims. The good news is, what they WERE doing must not be working, so now they’re trying this more aggressive approach. I suspect they are responding to the new losses they are having in federal courts recently on Title VII RA grounds. They’ve been getting dinged for failing to accommodate the RA’s, and courts are rejecting their lame arguments that they just can’t figure out how to accommodate them.

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Much, much more at the links.

~Easy


6 posted on 10/20/2021 1:40:13 PM PDT by EasySt (Say not this is the truth, but so it seems to me to be, as I see this thing I think I see #KAG.)
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Remember that it is a fact that fetal tissue was used in the testing of the Pfiser vaccine. They lied to us all and told us that it wasn't. This is not conspiracy theory. It is fact.

They got away with attacking the 1st amendment during 2020. They shut down churches and many Christians and pastors went along with it. After all, it “was for the best” and that “would be the only time.”

The tyranny doesn't end here if they are successful in killing the religious exception, expect it to continue.

7 posted on 10/20/2021 1:41:51 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: ducttape45

Please add me to the list.


8 posted on 10/20/2021 1:42:40 PM PDT by grcuster
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Naturally acquired immunity should trump everything if they actually believed in science, but they don't.

That's what they said all spring and summer last year. Herd immunity. Some might say they kept moving the goalposts. but my response is "What f*cking goalposts?!"

9 posted on 10/20/2021 1:42:46 PM PDT by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021.)
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To: ducttape45

If you have a vaccine mandate ping list, please include me :)
Thank you!


10 posted on 10/20/2021 1:44:07 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (It's not the job of the unvaxxed to protect the vaxxed. That's the job of the "vaccine.")
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To: ducttape45

So I would suspect that he will continue to attend church, as he has for many, many years.”
= = =

Maybe he can quickly attend ‘church’ one last time.

And Bill will laugh, then cry.


11 posted on 10/20/2021 1:45:48 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (My /s is more true than your /science (or you might mean /seance))
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To: ducttape45
There are many sources for this story:

Leaked White House Call Shows DOJ Lawyer Discussing How To Undercut Vaccine Religious Exemption Claims(The Suncoast News & Scoop)

Leaked White House Call Shows DOJ Lawyer Discussing How To Undercut Vaccine Religious Exemption Claims (NewsWars)

Leaked White House Call Shows DOJ Lawyer Discussing How exactly to Undercut Vaccine Religious Exemption Claims (Anti 5G and EMF)

BOMBSHELL! Leaked White House Call Shows NAZI DOJ Lawyer Discussing How To Undercut Vaccine Religious Exemption Claims (Whatfinger)

Leaked Audio Shows White House Official Discuss Combating Religious Exemption Claims (Conservative Brief)

Leaked Audio Shows White House Official Discuss Combating Religious Exemption Claims (Conservative Daily Wire)

I wanted to reference these so folks won't think it's just another InfoWars/Alex Jones production. Let's face it, he's not well liked everywhere but I initially saw this on his website and wanted to see if it was referenced in other places.

12 posted on 10/20/2021 1:48:48 PM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Jane Long

Ping.


13 posted on 10/20/2021 1:49:25 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: ducttape45

The most coherent discussion of the religious exemption discussion that I’ve been able to find is on the “VivaBarnes” podcast, where Robert Barnes makes a pretty convincing case that the efforts of the government and the corporations to interrogate the “sincerity” of their employee’s beliefs will simply not work if people stand firm.

This will certainly be tested in court, but very few people can afford to go out and hire a lawyer individually. Some people may be able to join into a class action, and maybe there’s some way to crowd fund some cases.

A lot of people are going to have to get very organized, very quickly.


14 posted on 10/20/2021 1:50:22 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: grcuster

Got you added!


15 posted on 10/20/2021 1:51:09 PM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Freedom56v2

Got you added as well!


16 posted on 10/20/2021 1:51:22 PM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Pontiac

Later


17 posted on 10/20/2021 1:54:36 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: ducttape45

These COVID-19 vaccines have been developed with the use of Fetal cell lines (HEK 293) which involves the harvesting of tissue from a living child, AFTER its birth.

https://www.crisismagazine.com/2021/catholic-conscience-and-the-covid-19-vaccine


18 posted on 10/20/2021 1:55:35 PM PDT by vortigern
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To: ducttape45

If Joke’s faith is “personal,” which relieves him of any fallout with regard to his support for abortion, then my decision not to get an experimental vaccine that I’m not comfortable with is also “personal,” and thereby sacrosanct. Easy peasy.


19 posted on 10/20/2021 1:56:27 PM PDT by Prince of Space ( Let’s go, Brandon! )
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Marxists deserve no quarter in the U.S.


20 posted on 10/20/2021 1:58:00 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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