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Pence Violates the Constitution
self | January 6, 2021 | Sense

Posted on 01/06/2021 10:29:31 AM PST by Sense

In his first act, it appears Pence submitted to Pelosi's direction to remove Representatives and Senators from the floor, where they might participate, to the gallery, where they cannot.

The process enabled is thus is being conducted without a quorum present... and with the majority of Representatives and Senators denied the ability to participate. They are not present, because they have been excluded from any ability even to raise procedural issues.

Scripted for purpose, certainly... but outside the law and the Constitution, denying participation, silencing the voices not just of the Representatives, but of those they represent.

Whatever result they deliver under this structure, it will not be valid.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Politics
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1 posted on 01/06/2021 10:29:31 AM PST by Sense
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To: Sense

And that feckless POS refused to answer a sincere question from a representative regarding proper process in this modified condition.


2 posted on 01/06/2021 10:31:15 AM PST by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: Sense

Constitution?

Is that on Instagram? Snapchat?


3 posted on 01/06/2021 10:32:25 AM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: Sense

Missed the opening moments. It appears clear, at least to me, that it is possible to define “domestic enemies” as those government officers that blatantly ignore requirements of the Constitution.


4 posted on 01/06/2021 10:35:46 AM PST by frog in a pot (One of the problems...Americans face today is the immensity of what’s happening. --Andrea Widburg )
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To: Sense

Is this really happening?? Patriots are there for a reason. Did you really make all those sacrifices to get to DC to sit by and let this happen??


5 posted on 01/06/2021 10:35:55 AM PST by viewfromthefrontier
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To: Sense

We’ve been functioning far from the Constitution all year.

Trump is the one who could and should have taken action before now.


6 posted on 01/06/2021 10:39:03 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Sense

WHAT?!?!???


7 posted on 01/06/2021 10:39:43 AM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (This is all a Soros funded communist insurrection! )
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To: Sense

I am so angry at Pence......
...and feel totally helpless

Those Patriots standing outside in the cold in DC.....and he thumbs his nose at them

And he calls himself a Christian


8 posted on 01/06/2021 10:40:08 AM PST by Guenevere (When the foundations are being destroyed what can the righteous do)
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To: Sense

Send money to the GOP? For what? Like throwing money away.


9 posted on 01/06/2021 10:43:24 AM PST by FreedBird (T)
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To: Sense
We have been somewhat Post-Constitution at least since FDC, but it has been completely ignored since Obama, and our insistence on following the rules has been weaponized against us.

If we want to save the Country as founded, we can no longer play by "Marquess of Queensberry Rules" and take nothing off of the table.

10 posted on 01/06/2021 10:44:23 AM PST by SecondAmendment (This just proves my latest theory ... LEFTISTS RUIN EVERYTHING)
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To: FreedBird

“Send money to the GOP? For what?“

-so they can buy more knives to shove into our backs.


11 posted on 01/06/2021 10:45:43 AM PST by joethedrummer
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To: Guenevere

Pence has been compromised in the very worst of ways. He was a traitor before this day dawned. He should be put before a firing squad for the things he has done.

At the Highest Levels – Part 3 of 3
January 6, 2021 by Neon Revolt
https://www.neonrevolt.com/2021/01/06/at-the-highest-levels-part-3-of-3/


12 posted on 01/06/2021 10:46:14 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: Guenevere

He chose Lucifer instead. No man can serve two masters.


13 posted on 01/06/2021 10:47:19 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: Sense

Mcconnell, Schiff, and Schumer all had the same speech in the debate. Shameful.


14 posted on 01/06/2021 10:47:29 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: FreedBird; Sense

Where does he say “send money to the GOP”?


15 posted on 01/06/2021 10:48:05 AM PST by Oorang (Tyranny thrives where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: Sense

the constitution is, as the DNC people say, put behind glass in a museum

now they are just closing that museum to public view is all

(they’ll demolish it altogether in the next 4 years)


16 posted on 01/06/2021 10:49:03 AM PST by faithhopecharity (Politicians are not born, they are excreted. Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: 9YearLurker
Trump is the one who could and should have taken action before now.

With what army?

17 posted on 01/06/2021 10:53:44 AM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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To: Sense
When all else fails, read the law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxii

Amendment XII

The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;—The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;—the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

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Electoral Count Act of 1887, Pub.L. 49–90, 24 Stat 373 (3 Feb 1887)

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/statutes-at-large/49th-congress/session-2/c49s2ch90.pdf

FORTY-NINTH CONGRESS. Sess. II. Ch. 90. 1887.

373

Feb. 3, 1887.

CHAP. 90.—An act to fix the day for the meeting of the electors of President and Vice-Presideut, and to provide for and regulate the counting of the votes for President and Vice-President, and the decision of questions arising thereon.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the electors of each State shall meet and give their votes on the second Monday in January next following their appointment, at such place in each State as the legisla­ture of such State shall direct.

Sec. 2. That if any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors, for its final determina­tion of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or pro­cedures, and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to the said time of meeting of the electors, shall be conclu­sive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascer­tainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned.

Sec. 3. That it shall be the duty of the executive of each State, as soon as practicable after the conclusion of the appointment of electors in such State, by the final ascertainment under and in pursuance of the laws of such State providing for such ascertainment, to communicate, under the seal of the State, to the Secretary of State of the United States, a certificate of such ascertainment of the electors appointed, setting forth the names of such electors and the canvass or other ascertainment under the laws of such State of the number of votes given or cast for each person for whose appointment any and all votes have been given or cast; and it shall also thereupon be the duty of the ex­ecutive of each State to deliver to the electors of such State, on or be­fore the day on which they are required by the preceding section to meet, the same certificate, in triplicate, under the seal of the State; and such certificate shall be inclosed and transmitted by the electors at the same time and in the same manner as is provided by law for transmit­ting by such electors to the seat of Government the lists of all persons voted for as President and of all persons voted for as Vice-President; and section one hundred and thirty-six of the Revised Statutes is hereby repealed; and if there shall have been any final determina­tion in a State of a controversy or contest as provided for in section two of this act, it shall be the duty of the executive of such State, as soon as practicable after such determination, to communicate, under the seal of the State, to the Secretary of State of the United States, a certifi­cate of such determination, in form and manner as the same shall have been made; and the Secretary of State of the United States, as soon as practicable after the receipt at the State Department of each of the certificates hereinbefore directed to be transmitted to the Secretary of State, shall publish, in such public newspaper as he shall designate, such certificates in full; and at the first meeting of Congress there­after he shall transmit to the two Houses of Congress copies in full of each and every such certificate so received theretofore at the State De­partment.

Sec. 4. That Congress shall be in session on the second Wednesday in February succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Rep­resentatives at the hour of one o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in

374

FORTY-NINTH CONGRESS. Sess. II. Ch. 90. 1887.

the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted in the manner and according to the rules in this act provided, the re­sult of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice-President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Sen­ate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be re­ceived. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, sub­mit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to ac­cording to section three of this act from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certi­fied. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regu­larly given by the electors who are shown by the determination men­tioned in section two of this act to have been appointed, if the determi­nation in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such suc­cessors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the ques­tion which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section two of this act, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its laws; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the ques­tion in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, un­less the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the Executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.

Sec. 5. That while the two Houses shall be in meeting as provided in this act the President of the Senate shall have power to preserve order; and no debate shall be allowed and no question shall be put by the presiding officer except to either House on a motion to withdraw.

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FORTY-NINTH CONGRESS. Sess. II. Chs. 90,91. 1887.

Sec. 6. That when the two Houses separate to decide upon an ob­jection that may have been made to the counting of any electoral vote or votes from any State, or other question arising in the matter, each Senator and Representative may speak to such objection or question five minutes, and not more than once; but after such debate shall have lasted two hours it shall be the duty of the presiding officer of each House to put the main question without further debate.

Sec. 7. That at such joint meeting of the two Houses seats shall be provided as follows: For the President of the Senate, the Speaker’s chair for the Speaker, immediately upon his left; the Senators, in the body of the Hall upon the right of the presiding officer; for the Repre­sentatives, in the body of the Hall not provided for the Senators; for the tellers, Secretary of the Senate, and Clerk of the House of Represen tatives, at the Clerk’s desk; for the other officers of the two Houses, in front of the Clerk’s desk and upon each side of the Speaker’s plat­form. Such joint meeting shall not be dissolved until the count of elec­toral votes shall be completed and the result declared; and no recess shall be taken unless a question shall have arisen in regard to count­ing any such votes, or otherwise under this act, in which case it shall be competent for either House, acting separately, in the manner herein­before provided, to direct a recess of such House not beyond the next calendar day, Sunday excepted, at the hour of ten o’clock in the fore­noon. But if the counting of the electoral votes and the declaration of the result shall not have been completed before the fifth calendar day next after such first meeting of the two Houses, no further or other recess shall be taken by either House.

Approved, February 3, 1887.


18 posted on 01/06/2021 10:55:34 AM PST by woodpusher
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To: Sense

What on earth are you talking about? The House is in the House chamber conducting their “up to 2 hours” on AZ debate, and the Senate is in the Senate chamber doing the same.


19 posted on 01/06/2021 10:56:49 AM PST by jstolzen
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To: Guenevere

Democrats willingness to cheat, and then lie about certifications... without consequence... when it succeeds, means we are to be ruled by lies.

Klobuchar calling this “the most secure election in history” by referencing CISA BEFORE the SolarWinds hack was exposed, resulting in a resignation in disgrace... because it is a lie that the election was secure.


20 posted on 01/06/2021 10:59:49 AM PST by Sense
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