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When are we going to STOP lowering the US flag?
me | 11/9/18 | me

Posted on 11/09/2018 7:47:40 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel

When will we stop lowering our flag?

I drove into work this morning, and AGAIN the flags are lowered. I see DJT has ordered it again, this time for the victims of the bar shooting. (No, it is NOT for Armistice/Veteran's Day, which means again BTW it will be down at least on Sunday.)

Not a week goes by our US flag is not prostrate anymore.

WADR, I appreciate the grief over yet another mass murder, but this is NOT what lowering the flag is for.

I am sick of seeing them lowered; it symbolizes we are constantly in mourning - constantly WEAK and VULNERABLE. Constantly bending to some force, however small.

This all started with 9/11. Before that, we went by the Code. Flag-lowering was for HIGHLY IMPORTANT officials at a national level, on their death (NOT John McCain).

I can certainly understand "bending" the rules for a MASSIVE atrocity like 9/11, but that does not mean every mass murder should get a lowered flag (sorry, even 50 does not compare to 3000 - and that was a foreign attack). Why not every thug killing in Baltimore and Chicago? Why not every time a serial killer strikes? Maybe for those actual accidents, like the NY limo accident?

My God, we are CONSTANTLY showing weakness. It is disrespectful to the flag, to the nation. Because it shows how cowed we are.


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To: the OlLine Rebel

I thought it was still lowered for the War Hero and universally adored Senator McCain?

That McCain, oh, we should also have a national day of remembrance for him to replace Christmas, the evil religious holiday based on racism.../s


21 posted on 11/09/2018 8:10:06 AM PST by Professional
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To: Jeff Chandler
We have become a weepy, womanly society

Ain’t it the truth...

If today’s standards were applied during WWII the flag would have been at half mast every day for 4+ years. At least then it would have had some range of legitimacy around combat deaths.

22 posted on 11/09/2018 8:10:17 AM PST by TADSLOS (I hate Russian Dolls. They are so full of themselves.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I agree 100%. This is become a political ritual, virtual signaling, rather than a respect of our traditions.


23 posted on 11/09/2018 8:10:50 AM PST by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!y)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

On the other hand, if we are going to lower the flag for deaths, why don’t we leave it at half mast until there are no more abortions of American babies.


24 posted on 11/09/2018 8:11:39 AM PST by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!y)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Considering the same amount of People die every week in Baltimore and Chicago as did in the Bar in T.O., we might as well make a Law that Flag Posts can only be five feet high.


25 posted on 11/09/2018 8:13:22 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

You’re right about Chicago.

It would be lowered every Monday following the weekend tally.


26 posted on 11/09/2018 8:15:00 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

When the flag is lowered every week, lowering loses its value.

Reserve it for the death of a national figure.


27 posted on 11/09/2018 8:15:30 AM PST by I want the USA back (It's Ok To Be White. White Lives Matter. White Guilt is Socially Constructed)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
I always thought it was for government officials and especially military heros, but looking at the site, it appears the President and governor can order half staff for ordinary citizens,

I think the flag ettiquette should be changed to limit half staff to military only.

There IS a provision for fixed flags that can't be lowered to fly a black penant at the top and I would suggest if you want to honor other people ... fly a black penant at half staff with Old Glory STILL standing above all others.


Which brings up another of my pet peeves .... I've noticed HS bands dipping The Colors at the review srtand .... OUR AMERICAN FLAG NEVER BOWS TO ANYONE OR ANYTHING.

28 posted on 11/09/2018 8:22:06 AM PST by knarf
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To: Sans-Culotte; the OlLine Rebel; WKUHilltopper; outpostinmass2; jeffersondem; ping jockey; ...
This really bothers me. I don't like the message it sends.

I found a website (A HREF=http://us.halfstaff.org/>HALF STAFF AMERICAN FLAG NOTIFICATIONS)that shows when officially the US flag was lowered, and after I did some manipulation in Excel, I could sort them by date, and here is what I found:

Obviously, some of these have merit. But Arlen Spector? Thomas Foley? Daniel Inouye? John McCain? The victims of every madman's killing rampage?
29 posted on 11/09/2018 8:23:35 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
No, it is NOT for Armistice/Veteran's Day, which means again BTW it will be down at least on Sunday.

Veteran's Day, formerly Armistice Day, is NOT a half staff day in the US. Those who gave all in defense of this nation are honored on Memorial, formerly Decoration, Day when the flag is at half staff from suririse to noon.

30 posted on 11/09/2018 8:26:02 AM PST by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: rlmorel

Senate and House members are not SUPPOSED to be this revered.

They’re supposed to pass some bills and then go home to their crops.

At least that’s the way it started.


31 posted on 11/09/2018 8:28:53 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Oh. I know.

I think this one might be antidepressants. We’ll never know that for sure. Pharm has the tightest of the tight controls over free speech


32 posted on 11/09/2018 8:39:01 AM PST by stanne
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To: the OlLine Rebel

The flag is at half mast so often they are going to have to fly it at a quarter mast when they are really sad.


33 posted on 11/09/2018 8:40:45 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Vote your bible.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

It is really annoying. The flag is always at half staff these days. It seems every time someone’s beloved dog dies the flag comes down. It has gotten so that the flag at half staff no longer has any meaning


34 posted on 11/09/2018 9:08:32 AM PST by Chuckster (Battlestar Galactica is not fiction)
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To: dp0622

Exactly. That really bugs me.


35 posted on 11/09/2018 9:41:04 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: rlmorel

Wow, does this site reach back before 9/11?

I think you’ll see a huge drop in flag-lowering.


36 posted on 11/09/2018 9:47:54 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
I think it only goes back to the earliest date in my post. I went back to Half Staff American Flag Notifications and it only went back to about 2010.

That would be interesting to find out.

37 posted on 11/09/2018 10:05:47 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: ping jockey

I would not lower it for any politician except POTUS as he is CINC.


38 posted on 11/09/2018 12:48:02 PM PST by bravo whiskey (Never bring a liberal gun law to a gun fight.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Agree. Time to fly it upside down again?


39 posted on 11/09/2018 12:48:38 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: rlmorel

It cheapens the honor. Like when the Mountain Home AFB base commander agreed for a base wide memorial service for one of the guard dogs that died. Come on.


40 posted on 11/09/2018 12:52:24 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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