Posted on 02/12/2017 12:20:53 PM PST by EveningStar
Creationists don’t like The Clergy Letter Project, a strong, pro-evolution statement signed by over 13,000 Christian clergymen. Here’s the Wikipedia article on it: Clergy Letter Project. The Project is exceedingly troublesome for creationists because it flatly contradicts their claim that one can’t be a good Christian and also accept evolution.
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Not to mention that evolution is in direct contradiction to Christian morality.
If evolution is true, then our highest goal is simply to propagate the species, and the highest goal for any individual is to propagate their own genetic material. So, as a man, if I were to take evolution seriously, I should be trying to sleep with as many fertile women as possible, to maximize the chances that I having living offspring to keep my genes in circulation. That is not compatible at all with Christian sexual morality.
You and who else?
And; why do I have to believe one way or another just to be able to follow a conversation?
Good grief Elsie. It's only a 62 post thread....
"E" used to claim that ONE dna change could be propagated onward, thus driving Evolution.
Now the 'believers' claim that a GROUP of folks have to get the same dna change AT ONCE for it to be able to propagate.
Notice the biologists claims about the poor cheetah today: not enough VARIETY in their genes to keep them from going extinct if we don't help them.;
Well; it HAS been scientifically proven that if your grandparents didn't have any children; then the odds of you having any are EXTREMELY low!
You're free to believe what you like. I just don't understand how you can comment on a thread if you don't bother to read through the relevent posts first.
If my grandparents didn’t have any children (genetically oriented, not adoption oriented) then I wouldn’t be responding to your post ... grin and bear it, old cow.
Why do you assume I haven't read them?
Moooove along; nothing to see here.
You asked me who else was part of the conversation. Had you bothered to read, you would have known.
“E” used to claim that ONE dna change could be propagated onward, thus driving Evolution.
Now the ‘believers’ claim that a GROUP of folks have to get the same dna change AT ONCE for it to be able to propagate.
The one mutation in an individual argument was always one of the weakest points in their case, because if the mutation was enough to create a radically different species (at least in those who sexually reproduce), then the new creature could never mate and continue the line.
The other argument is not quite impossible, but still extraordinarily improbable. I guess with billions of years it might have happened once or twice, but never enough to account for the diversity of life that we see.
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To: SubMareener
Evolution has a basic problem. It has no starting point.
The Judeo-Christian diety has no starting point. A shared problem... |
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To: Poison Pill
Not exactly. The Jewish Sages identify the Ein Sof as the creator of the universe who is outside of space and time. Time did not start until the Ein Sof created the universe and manifested as Elohim, the three in one god head, that interacts with His creation. The first verse in the Bible can be translated as: “In the beginning [Ein Sof] created Elohim, the heavens and the earth.” 20 posted on 2/12/2017 5:56:00 PM by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: Poison Pill
The Judeo-Christian diety
You mean keeping kosher? ;-D |
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To: SubMareener
The Jewish Sages identify the Ein Sof as the creator of the universe who is outside of space and time. Time did not start until the Ein Sof created the universe and manifested as Elohim, the three in one god head
Hmmm...... Well, the Zohar is pretty far out there. I don't think 13th Century Jewish mysticism can really be considered cannonical in any broader sense of the Judeo-Christian traditian. As far as the three part god-head goes, I'm pretty sure that's not Jewish. |
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To: NobleFree
diety
You mean keeping kosher? ;-D HA!!! Oh, ya got me! |
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To: SubMareener; Poison Pill; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; ...
The first verse in the Bible can be translated as: “In the beginning [Ein Sof] created Elohim, the heavens and the earth.”
Which means that you still have a creator with no beginning, while this is contrary to such texts as, Psalms 90:2: Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. 35 posted on 2/12/2017 10:43:40 PM by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Elsie
I don't think you're really following our conversation unless you believe god came into existence simultaneously with the creation of the world.
59 posted on 02/13/2017 8:47:54 AM PST by Poison Pill
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