Bear Spray Failure in Montana (video)

Gun Watch ^ | 4 October, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

Another documented bear spray failure.  In this case the victim chose to use bear spray instead of the pistol he had with him.  It is an interesting contrast with Kim Woodman, who was also charged by a sow grizzly with cubs.  Kim had a 10 mm pistol, a Glock model 20.  He stopped the charging grizzly at almost contact distance. Kim only had 30 yards to react.  Todd says the grizzly charged him from 80 yards off.

Link to video

From Todd's facebook post: 

I yelled a number of times so she knew I was human and would hopefully turn back. No such luck. Within a couple seconds, she was nearly on me. I gave her a full charge of bear spray at about 25 feet. Her momentum carried her right through the orange mist and on me.

Todd had a pistol with him, attached to his pack.  It may have been in a chest holster, but he did not access it. We do not know precisely how the pistol was holstered, the caliber, or Todd's decision making process.  We know he had time to have his bear spray out and ready, and that he started spraying when the bear was at about 25 feet.  It did not work. 

The sow left after mauling Todd. He was able to walk, so he started back toward his truck, three miles away. He had been on the trail to get help for 8-10 minutes when he was attacked the second time. Return attacks by bears are not uncommon.  From Todd:

I tried to peek out without moving but my eyes were full of blood and I couldn't see. I thought that if she came back a third time I would be dead, so I had to do something. Staying in position on the ground, I slowly reached under my chest to grab at the pistol I was unable to get to earlier. I felt I needed something to save my life. The pistol wasn't there. I groped around again but nothing. I wiped the blood from one eye and looked around.

No bear. The pistol and holster were lying five feet to my left. The bear's ferocious bites and pulling had ripped the straps from the pack and the holster attached to it. Now trashed, that backpack may have helped prevent many more serious bites on my back and spine.

Todd Orr's bear attack has gone viral.  Bear spray manufacturers will no longer be able to claim that bear spray has never failed.

When I talked to Kim Woodman about his attack, I asked about his opinion on bear spray.  He said that it might be useful in some circumstances, but that he would want armed people with him as back up, in case the bear spray did not work.  The reputation of bear spray is built on its use on non-aggressive bears that are merely curious, and/or far too habituated to the presence of humans.

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[marktwain]

Bear spray does not always work. Many, including at least one "expert" claimed that it never failed when employed. They were wrong.

[umgud]

[Tijeras_Slim]

Bear spray does not always work.

Still it's an improvement over Bear Roll-On.

[Nifster]

Some folks are just too stupid to be alive

Why draw attention to yourself when a bear is passing by

[dhs12345]

Because they are cute and cuddly. Or at least that is what they see on TV.

[MUDDOG]

Or bear aspirin.

[D Rider]

That is hilarious.

[RandallFlagg]

Bear pepperspray = Human seasoning for bears

[LydiaLong]

Bear spray works if the bear is standing still. But in this case, the bear was running so fast that the spray didn’t affect him.

[Paladin2]

I was looking into that today. Some have been built and tested. Check UTube....

[Paladin2]

Well, there are Black Bears and Brown/white Bears.

[nonsporting]

I handled a Glock 40 MOS in 10mm this past weekend.

I already have something for bear--6 rounds of 44mag.

Which is better? 220gr at 1200fps (x13)? Or 240gr at 1350 (x6)?

[marktwain]

Whichever one you can shoot better, fast.
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2016/08/exclusive-details-on-10mm-bear-defense.html

The story of a guy who used a 10mm

[DesertRhino]

In real life, bear spray works very well, and not just against the curious bear. This is one exception proving the rule. I can show you far more handgun failures against grizzlies.

I notice he was good enough after the incident to stand there and make a you tube video. Looks like the bear impacted him and didn’t hang around.

[TomGuy]

Hey, I got half eaten by a bear but took time to make this video before going to the hospital.

LOL

People and their priorities.

[wjcsux]

I love my Model 29 S&W.

[AndyTheBear]

It is also easy to get it confused with “bare spray”, which is used at raunchy parties to remove a person’s clothes....if used on a bear, it simply desolves the animals fur and makes them angry! Not good!

[DesertRhino]

Tells you how severe the attack wasn’t, and that the bear didn’t stop and play after charging through him. And though everyone fancies themselves a Wyatt Earp, drawing and precisely hitting the shut down point on a charging bear is dicey business.

[OKSooner]

"Which is better? 220gr at 1200fps (x13)? Or 240gr at 1350 (x6)? "

Is a 12 gauge shotgun with 3" slugs an acceptable choice? :)

If this is a pop quiz I'm going old school - a model 29 with serious hard cast maxi-loads launching preferably out of a six inch barrel... yeah, like that one right there.

Since you ax the question, though, I hear that some up in bear country are making the change to the 10mm. I've even heard of one guy who theorized, and then proved, that 9mm is adequate for bear defense with certain loads. Sounds nuts to me but what do I know, I don't live in bear country, I just read about it. :)

[Nifster]

They ain’t Yogi or Boo Boo