Someone Please Explain How SO Many People Would Take Carson Over CRUZ? I Don't Get That At All-

Reaganite Republican ^ | 21 October 2015 | Reaganite Republican

[Reaganite Republican]

I like Dr Ben Carson. I respect Ben Carson. I admire what he made of himself and how he's seemed to have lived his life. I agree with almost everything that comes out of his mouth. But what can this man possibly offer as a leader that we wouldn't simply get more-and-better of from Ted Cruz?

Ben Carson is a good man, and it's difficult to 'attack' him on any specific major issue- he's said some dumb things about guns before, but generally there's not much daylight between our views. Alas, after enduring the utterly-unqualified Obama wreck the country, how is this über-outsider thing so attractive to so many that nothing else carries any weight with them but
'who spent the least time in DC'? 

And nobody who knows what they're talking about would ever consider Ted Cruz to be a 'DC political insider': it could be said it took a lot more balls for Cruz to stand on that Senate floor and confront McConnell head-on under the glaring lights, placing his entire political career on the line (while the GOPe sneered and the media trashed him) than to make comments on social media from some comfy office suite like Ben Carson and Donald Trump were doing at the time. Despite his glistening resume, Ted Cruz is surely NO
Washington DC establishment 'insider'- nothing of the sort.

And other than 'outsider', Dr Carson has no qualifications whatsoever to be president- how is that a good idea? Perhaps his medical expertise would have some use in replacing Obamacare, but that's nothing to be basing your entire choice-for-president on.

To be blunt, I've dealt with doctors business-wise in the past, and find them to be generally terrible managers. Years spent in medical school and what they do for a living -which is as much art as it is science- affects their way of thinking, prioritizing, and organizing things. And accomplished medical professionals are used to others following their orders, not dealing with difficult, recalcitrant people who disagree with them all the time- in fact, top surgeons are put on a pedestal and used to never hearing 'no'. As Trump is happy to point-out, Carson has zero experience in negotiating, either. In the end, financial and operational management are just a different mind set than your average brain surgeon... imho.

Do a lot of people like Carson because he's black? I'm sure that's part of it, maybe some still feel the need to 'prove' they're not 'racist'- seems ludicrous to me, but I'm sure that's out there in some quantity. 

If some imagine he would bring black votes to Republican ticket based on his skin color, most polls I've seen have Trump doing great with black voters... proving they don't need to be pandered to with the 'right' color of candidate, they want JOBS and a strong America (in large numbers).

Ted Cruz knows how Capitol Hill works -without having sold out to the establishment- and is impressively qualified for the job of president. He's displayed a far more substantial and relevant knowledge of foreign policy
-at a turbulent time internationally- than Dr Carson, has raised more money, and seems far better organized for a long-run presidential campaign. 

Ted Cruz is a God-fearing Christian, just like Dr Carson... yet a far more skilled and effective communicator. It's long been my view we need a guy or gal who can SELL the conservative message to a tired and confused electorate- somebody who can battle the MSM while simultaneously overcoming the 'progressive' propaganda/nonsense that's been
shoved down America's throat for years. 

A lot of what Reagan did wasn't popular at first, and the benefits of his investment-based tax cuts would take some time to fully bear fruit- but he was a superb communicator and salesman that kept everybody with the program- precisely what we need today.

Alas, Ben Carson seems to lack this ability, from what I can see-
his 'mellowness' is definitely not a positive when you need to hit the road
on a massive PR/sales offensive.

So where's the logic behind supporting Carson over Cruz? I'm not trying to be some kind of smart-ass, I just honestly don't see one single reason for it... would welcome any explanation from good-faith Carson supporters, there's apparently quite a few of you out there.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

You racist!

[JMS]

I agee

[ksm1]

Because RINO and “GOPe” has become the most overused phrases in politics so legitimate candidates like Cruz who can beat Clinton don’t get a shot.

[TADSLOS]

The stupidity of large groups.

[MARKUSPRIME]

Its either Trump or Cruz i wont vote for Carson

[almcbean]

As a fellow Cruz supporter I share your frustration, although I do prefer Carson over Trump.

I think it’s best for Cruz supporters to be patient and trust his game plan. We’re still in the early to mid stage.

[petercooper]

I agree. Carson talks effectively about some pressing issues, but I do not see any leadership qualities in the man. He'd be great running some middle school in Wichita.

[FatherofFive]

The anti-establishment fervor is real. I love Cruz, and think he is the best. But he is part of Washington.

Cruz - Martinez 2016

[Roger Kaputnik]

Because Black is the “new” Brown.

[Reaganite Republican]

***PING***

[TomGuy]

Carson is not quite what everyone 'wants' him to be. And when some of the 'real' person seeps through, his sycophants bury their heads in the sand.

We saw the same adulations toward Fred Thompson in 2008, when too many were building him into what they wanted him to be, not what he was.

Isara posted a chart comparing Cruz, Carson and Trump on the major issues. That chart showed Carson with more unknowns than knowns.

Presidential Candidates Comparison (Cruz vs. Carson vs. Trump)

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Immigration
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Carson has too many ‘mixed’ views on the issues.

Color each green and he looks perfect to the conservatives.

Color each red and he looks like he should be appearing in the Democrat debates rather than in the Republican debates.

[A recent thread said he has been mostly independent and former Democrat until just about a year ago: EXCLUSIVE: Records show Ben Carson became Republican less than one year ago.]

[Diogenesis]

When Cruz helped SECRET ObamaTRADE pass, he lost.

Period.

People were defending him for months, me too, but
could no longer.

[9YearLurker]

Okay, then why Carson over Trump?

[Isara]

Presidential Candidates Comparison (Cruz vs. Carson)

Budget, Spending & Debt
Civil Liberties
Education
Energy & Environment
Foreign Policy & Defense
Free Market
Health Care & Entitlements
Immigration
Moral Issues
Second Amendment
Taxes, Economy & Trade

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[cripplecreek]

I would accept Carson over most of them aside from Cruz. I think a lot of people have a reflexive need to support a black candidate.

He’s likeable and smart but he’s wrong on some important issues but I don’t see him as the type to actively subvert the constitution. I’d put him about 3rd on my list after Cruz and Jindal, (Despite Jindal’s bizarre tantrums recently).

My idea would be Cruz/Lee or Cruz/West

[true believer forever]

I have thought about posting the same type of vanity. I don’t understand a lot of things about Carson: who supported his startup before he started getting individual donations, that would explain a lot.

Who are his supporters specifically?

How large and often are his events?

How well organized is he?

His rate of acquisition of FB and twitter do not make sense to me ...

I don’t know anything about SDA but could a lot of his support be coming from them, do they have a large presence in the US?

No matter how hard I try, I can’t figure out what’s going on here... I read somewhere that he was a cash cow for his larger supporters, but I don’t know what that means.

PLEASE, HELP!!

[PROCON]

I think it comes down to Americans being fed up with Politicians in general.

Although Ted Cruz is not part of the Capitol Hill gridlock problem, he's still seen as a politician and they always score low in the most admired people category.

We still have a long way to go until Nov. 2016, let's hope Senator Cruz continues to get out his pro-Constitution message to Americans.

[FourPeas]

I think most of those have had more exposure to Carson than Cruz and/or what they’ve heard about Cruz has been greatly affected by the media (who clearly hate & fear him).

Carson’s calm, quiet demeanor has much to recommend him. His abilities to learn and use information based on his experience as a surgeon is certain. He is a thoughtful man. He has executive experience in building organizations within the hospital and his foundation. He’s not afraid to stand up to those who oppose him. And, of course, he’s an outsider who is very likable.

[Sacajaweau]

IMHO, a vote for Carson a non-committal vote. I’d say they’re actually torn between Cruz and Rubio. They’ll rise and Carson will fall.