Posted on 07/30/2013 9:03:55 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
Lt. Mike Zullo, lead investigator of Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Cold Case Posse with the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office has revealed new information in his investigation of Obama's birth. He revealed that he has a source 'in a position to know' has confirmed that 'there was no birth' of Barack Obama at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, HI on August 4, 1961. That would call into question the comments made by former Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle on May 2, 2010. In a nationally syndicated radio broadcast on the Rusty Humphries show, Lingle told the audience:
"So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it’s again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this.”
Even though Lingle claimed she issued a news release stating Kapi’olani is Obama’s birthplace, the actual release said no such thing, making no reference to Kapi’olani nor any other specific location of Obama’s birth. On the other hand, Linda Lingles successor Neil Abercrombie was never able to verify Obama had a long form birth certificate. His investigation into the matter conflicts with Lingles attempt. Albercrombie only suggested his investigation had identified an unspecified listing or notation of Obama’s birth that someone had made in the state archives.
“It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down,”
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So why would you post a link to piece from a guy who’s lying?
I don’t think he’s lying. He may or may not have used the wrong terminology to describe that Abercrombie method of search when he went looking for Obama birf cert, and his search for Obama BC is undeniable.
Ahh ok. He ‘misspoke’.
It seems that Abecrombie was prevented from releasing anything without the persons consent by the State Attorney General.
Classic example of normalcy bias. Every great civilization has fallen from within; we are fools if we ignore that.
You show me the current warrants that the NSA is operating under from the FISA courts.
Considering the national security implications of having a usurper acting as Commander-in-Chief, would you say that the NSA should be listening to a recording of Abercrombie and Evans’ phone conversations? I know it’s nowhere near as critical to our national security as snooping in David Petraeus’ bedroom talk because 2 broads got in a cat-fight over him... And I know it’s not near as pressing or urgent for the media as, say, Anthony’s weiner... But with those really urgent, critical national security issues dealt with already maybe there is some spare time to focus on piddles like the country and world being taken over by a criminal mafia...
All your points are good. And the takeaway point is that whatever child born in Kenya officially the child of the Kenyan 0bama is Kezia’s by another man, and is of no relevance!
Another dead end just in case anyone thinks it isn’t... There have been threads about “oh look, a child of the Kenyan in the Kenyan archives born in 1961 in Kenya”. etc.
This was after a few months of AberCommie's bellicose statements that he would put an end to Obama's birf certificate mystery. He said he saw the peewee Obama running around Hawaii back in the day LoL Haha...
I agree with every bit of that. America needs folks like you to let the rest of us know when you see that a spoke in our wheels has broken.
Keep the faith. ;-)
Here is the full context of what you cited. Note the citation which says that a warrant can be used to obtain an object from someone not accused. And the labor room log is actually supposed to be a public record, according to Zullo.
Here’s the C&P of the page you linked:
A search warrant is an order in writing made by a judge or other magistrate, directed to an officer of justice, commanding the officer to search for certain articles supposed to be in the possession of or which are anticipated to be in the possession of one who is charged with having obtained them illegally, or who keeps them illegally, or with the intent of using them as the means of committing a certain offense. [PC 1869, c 48, §2; RL 1925, §3959; RL 1935, §5411; RL 1945, §10716; RL 1955, §255-16; HRS §708-31; ren L 1972, c 9, pt of §1; gen ch 1985; am L 1998, c 65, §2]
Case Notes
Void warrant. 4 H. 584.
This is a definition and warrant may issue to obtain article from one not accused. 6 H. 684.
Liquor. 28 H. 173.
Requirements of probable cause based upon hearsay construed. 60 H. 205, 588 P.2d 909.
Section (pre-1998) does not permit the issuance of an anticipatory search warrant. 87 H. 80, 951 P.2d 1243.
Where 1998 amendment to section did not express a legislative intent that it be applied retroactively, amendment does not apply retroactively. 88 H. 433, 967 P.2d 265.
That didn’t stop them from putting the court-sealed BIRTH NAMES of Norman and Nathan Roloos in the public 1960-64 birth index...
Nor did it stop Linda Lingle from ordering Chiyome Fukino to look at whatever record it was that Abercrombie’s investigators couldn’t find. Those investigators presumably included his interim health director, Neal Palafox, who was shortly after asked to resign and threatened by the AG’s implicatetions of a non-existent medical billing scam investigation. If Neal Palafox - the director in control of the HDOH - couldn’t find anything at the HDOH to report back to Abercrombie, then there’s a problem even BEFORE Abercrombie desperately went to check the labor room admittance logs at the hospitals.
lol.
It would explain Abercrombie’s public and private statements.
It would explain why the state registrar would not verify that Obama was born on Aug 4, 1961 in Honolulu on the island of Oahu to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama - wouldn’t verify ANY of those birth claims.
And it would explain why the state registrar would not verify that the White House BC image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file.”
“What happens if the claims in a government record cannot be corroborated by the legally-required paper trail? For instance, Alex Galovich at the Passport Office submitted in Chris Strunk’s FOIA lawsuit an early-80’s DOS “cable” claiming that millions of passport applications had been destroyed, but the retention schedule had never been changed, the IG had given a report recommending changes based on the fact that the retention schedules were not GOING to change, records of the destruction were not made, DOS has been charging people to do searches of these records that were supposedly destroyed, and records supposedly destroyed have been easily found. THat being the case, would you find that “cable” to be credible/genuine?”
The April 12, 1961 INS FOIA letter was NOT easily found. See Corsi’s article here:
http://www.wnd.com/2011/11/365749/
Missing documents are one thing (too many to list) but claimed historic document can be forensically examined as to type face and investigated as to named persons. I have seen no challenge to the April 12, 1961 letter. It can also be cross-corroborated with documents in other government archives and the players, residences, time-frames are affirmed in the UH and UW transcripts, divorce record, (and the near worthless newspaper announcements in TWO papers in multiple archives) for SADO as well as the commercial Polk registries for HI and WA.
Any one of these can be questioned but they cross-confirm as far as I can see. There is no conclusive evidence of forgery as there is for any of the foregoing as there is for the LFBC pdf and the selective service registration, IMO.
“This was after a few months of AberCommie’s bellicose statements that he would put an end to Obama’s birf certificate mystery.”
Abercrombie gives the appearance of blackmailing Barry for some huge swag to be paid to the HI crony-Democrat mafia in exchange for HI continuing the charade though the 2012 election, IMO.
In reply to false claims being made in FReepmail that I have ever advocated Frank Marshall Davis as the father of Barry see this comment in the Mal-Val thread (thread about the cult that believes that Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf are Barry’s parents)...a comment that was cross-posted from one of numerous other threads where it has been falsely claimed that I advocate FMD as Barry’s dad:
Cross-cross-posted:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2913366/posts?page=1035#1035
Cross-posted:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11695#11695
To: Brown Deer; Fred Nerks; WildHighlander57; Fantasywriter; LucyT
You are smart enough to understand conditional logic, therefore I conclude that it is likely that you are being deceptive and dishonest.
Here are the basics on conditional logic at this link;
http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/conditional.html
Obots, trolls, SPs and Mal-Val pushers (who are cult believers that Malcolm X is Barry’s dad and Valerie Sarruf is his mom) ALL assert that there is NO chance that Stanley Ann could have gone to Kenya to deliver Barry or even have been Barry’s mom, in the case of the Mal-Val cult members.
Using logic and the known contemporaneous corroborated documented facts I have proposed two CONDITIONAL narratives that could provide the motivation for the funding needed to place Stanley Ann in Kenya.
These are POSSIBLE narratives that provide funding motivation NOT assertions that either narrative is a fact.
It is possible that FMD OR BHO Sr. could have been motivated (note the conditional phrasing) to hide the pregnancy of Stanley Ann for different reasons and to have arranged a sham marriage.
It is possible that FMD OR BHO Sr. could have personally or through backers obtained the funding needed to pay for Stanley Ann to travel to Kenya sometime between Feb 1961 and the delivery of baby Barry.
Conclusive i.e. verifiable evidence has not yet developed that would support conclusive assertion that either man is the dad or where Barry was born and I have repeatedly posted that.
I HAVE conclusively EXCLUDED the possibility that any other woman is Barry’s mom because only Conspiracy Theory (CT) could explain the numerous 1961 documents which back up that conclusion (UH, UW, INS FOIA, HI Newspaper, Polk).
11,695 posted on Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:19:53 PM by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
1,035 posted on Saturday, April 20, 2013 8:20:04 PM by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
Thanks for the ping. I don’t know if this has been addressed up thread, but here goes:
I did not find physical evidence of splice on the Aug. 1-15, 1961 microfilms I handled - however I did not unroll and examine them. It would have been strange behavior in the Library of Congress. What I did find was that the box containing the one microfilm with an obama birth ann. had the reference number scribbled over, then later rewritten. Found a few other minor things as well. There are two boxes which are different/altered from the original in fact.
One of the most important things uncovered is that the original DISCOVERY (by the late Lori Starfelt) of the first of the two announcements was a complete lie - that copy could not have come from the source claimed. Nor could the story by the “person” who discovered the second announcement a few days later be true. That to me was the most important discovery involving these newspaper announcements.
On researching I learned that to make a “master” film is very quick and easy, but that the type of film in use at that time is no longer used. EXCEPT that when I checked on Ebay a couple of years ago there was plenty of that older type film for sale (unexposed). Many places, including the Library of Congress, made their own micro films - and still have the equipment.
So, could a person take the libraries copy that sits in the stacks, splice in a section, generate a new “master” from that, then make the copies with everything original except the spliced section (undetectable carefully done this way)onto vintage film still being sold on Ebay? Then exchange the handful of copies found in the main land libraries and on the Islands? It could be done quite easily. Super cheap too.
The announcements certainly proved to be a very convincing piece of “evidence” did they not, that obama was born in HI on Aug. 4, 1961? So, although Mr. Barack Obama SR. NEVER EVER lived at the address listed in that announcement, it was accepted by the general public as sufficient. And evidence. Just as the phony BC and weasel worded announcements and declarations from HI officials are accepted. As evidence.
BTW. To those thinking all researchers involved in this are being showered with donations - piss off.
I spent over five thousand of my own money - provided by me - doing my little projects. That would be dollars. I was offered donations, some that were very generous, but as I didn’t want people getting involved - or expecting results which might be impossible to provide, I used my own cash. The last trip WAS paid for by myself and by the Post&Email, but we each had our own specific agenda and were able to work everything out well with our Investigator.
That’s how I ended up with the video of the Woman in Brown ordering her long form birth certificate. Shame the audio is so crappy - perhaps I can save up and find a pro to enhance the original so it is clearer.
Anyway, all of this is included on my blog posts (LOL - tedious reading) and I explained a long while ago that I paid for the trips myself because I didn’t want to have to compromise or be restricted in what I wanted to go after. I want to have my own way, and I pay for that.
IIRC Zullo mentioned in one of interviews that he had chased some information in Seattle that didn't lead anywhere.
I should have elaborated and said that the documents that were easily found were the passport applications for Phil Jacobsen’s mother, which should have been destroyed if that early-1980’s DOS “cable” was accurate but were easily found by the Passport office in a 2010(?) request that Phil made. The records that were missing weren’t just average, run-of-the-mill, easily-lost records for an individual but the record of a records retention change - making permanent records disposable. The government record that DOES exist shows that there weren’t any retention period changes for those records - contradicting this “cable”.
There isn’t direct evidence that the INS records were forged, fabricated, or altered, but we do know they spent a long time resisting disclosure of those records. We also know that BHO didn’t claim to have a US citizen son on one of those records, at a time when it would have been to his advantage, and that BHO’s birthdate in those records disagrees with the birthdate claimed in the current Hawaii record. The part about BHO II could easily have been added to the handwritten memo that mentioned him. I’m not saying that those records were forged because I have no way of knowing whether they were or weren’t. But I am saying that after the documented tampering and outright fabrications by multiple federal and state agencies, I’d want to have the authenticity of those records checked out before believing anything on them.
Also, the Islamists and communists share a technique that causes problems for the rest of us: they fudge their names to the point that it’s difficult to find records or know exactly to whom they refer. Stanley Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro may or may not be “Anna Obama”, as Fred has pointed out. The Obama-Dunham divorce record was hidden under some variation of those names and initials. “Mr. and Mrs. Barack Hussein Obama” doesn’t give a wife’s name, and the address used in the alleged birth announcement was not where Obama Sr was living.
The HDOH has a marriage record in their index for Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Dunham but they’ve already been caught altering an index to include records that aren’t legally valid.
So while it is possible that they were married and/or the parents of Obama, it is also possible that they were not, and given the non-credibility of the sources at this point I have no idea which is true and which isn’t. There aren’t obvious signs of forgery and fabrication on the INS records but there also weren’t obvious signs of tampering in the later versions of the birth announcements, the birth index, or the BC# (for instance). Those discrepancies were only caught because of other information that eventually surfaced.
“The Long Thread”
I was a lurker at the time and that thread got me to sign up, happened to be the reported birth date of his nothingness.
"I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It's a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I'm left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father's part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father's imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents."Did we ever determine what this news clipping was?
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