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To: Seizethecarp; Fred Nerks

I should have elaborated and said that the documents that were easily found were the passport applications for Phil Jacobsen’s mother, which should have been destroyed if that early-1980’s DOS “cable” was accurate but were easily found by the Passport office in a 2010(?) request that Phil made. The records that were missing weren’t just average, run-of-the-mill, easily-lost records for an individual but the record of a records retention change - making permanent records disposable. The government record that DOES exist shows that there weren’t any retention period changes for those records - contradicting this “cable”.

There isn’t direct evidence that the INS records were forged, fabricated, or altered, but we do know they spent a long time resisting disclosure of those records. We also know that BHO didn’t claim to have a US citizen son on one of those records, at a time when it would have been to his advantage, and that BHO’s birthdate in those records disagrees with the birthdate claimed in the current Hawaii record. The part about BHO II could easily have been added to the handwritten memo that mentioned him. I’m not saying that those records were forged because I have no way of knowing whether they were or weren’t. But I am saying that after the documented tampering and outright fabrications by multiple federal and state agencies, I’d want to have the authenticity of those records checked out before believing anything on them.

Also, the Islamists and communists share a technique that causes problems for the rest of us: they fudge their names to the point that it’s difficult to find records or know exactly to whom they refer. Stanley Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro may or may not be “Anna Obama”, as Fred has pointed out. The Obama-Dunham divorce record was hidden under some variation of those names and initials. “Mr. and Mrs. Barack Hussein Obama” doesn’t give a wife’s name, and the address used in the alleged birth announcement was not where Obama Sr was living.

The HDOH has a marriage record in their index for Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Dunham but they’ve already been caught altering an index to include records that aren’t legally valid.

So while it is possible that they were married and/or the parents of Obama, it is also possible that they were not, and given the non-credibility of the sources at this point I have no idea which is true and which isn’t. There aren’t obvious signs of forgery and fabrication on the INS records but there also weren’t obvious signs of tampering in the later versions of the birth announcements, the birth index, or the BC# (for instance). Those discrepancies were only caught because of other information that eventually surfaced.


278 posted on 07/31/2013 1:30:11 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion
...There isn’t direct evidence that the INS records were forged, fabricated, or altered, but we do know they spent a long time resisting disclosure of those records. We also know that BHO didn’t claim to have a US citizen son on one of those records, at a time when it would have been to his advantage...

Don't get me started...! What about Sally Jacobs having the unredacted immigration file for two years before the redacted file was released to SMATHERS? Why was it necessary to hide the name of the parents who complained about the kenyan running around with 'girls' in Hawaii? Who were the girls, who was the parent who complained, whose daughter actually did find herself pregnant and ended up living in that boarding house in Seattle?

Who was Ann S Obama listed in the Polk at the house in Honolulu that the Dunhams shared with his employer, the Pratt family? Why can't the Pratt daughter remember a Dunham daughter, let alone a daughter with a newborn? Why couldn't the neighbour who lived there during that period, who was still alive when questioned in 2008 iirc...(see Long Thread) remember the Dunhams having a daughter with a baby?

Why does the name BHO2 appear almost as an afterthought in the INS docs, written in the same hand as it is on a memo signed by some fellow named Woods, attesting to the name and address of the 'parents' ... Is it acceptable that another hand completes a document after that document had been signed and submitted? We can't ask the kenyan if he really did cross out the name of his wife and replace the name with another...because he's dead. After 1982, when he was killed, and Barry became Barack, heaven knows what was deleted/added to the record. In that year, 1982, zero first met William Ayres, recall. So many perps, so many opportunities. And that 'adoption memo' - how blatant is that? The name of the person supposedly making arrangements with the Salvation Army, TRUNCATED so we can't read it. What a huge steaming pile of marure it all is...

289 posted on 07/31/2013 3:49:06 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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