Posted on 03/06/2013 5:30:00 PM PST by Seizethecarp
At approx 4:15 EST Hannity (radio) interviews Ted Cruz. At the end of the conversation Hannity asks Cruz if he is eligible to run for POTUS. Cruz dodges the question, but Hannity pushes. Cruz says his focus is on our country's problems and he'll leave it to others to decide if he's NBC. When Hannity keeps it going Cruz says he was born of an American mother avoiding place of birth. Hannity brings up the Canadian birth. Cruz says he had American citizenship at birth because of his mother. Hannity concludes something like "well then your'e NBC!"
So an American can marry a foreigner on Skype for a couple of hours while their spouse gives birth someplace on the globe other than America and that child can now be president.
Afterall, Freepers tell me that all one needs is one American parent.
Your future:
Skype = Natural Born Citizen
Right! The rats will break any law they can get away with but that does not mean that forreigners belong in the White House.
Cruz stepped up and supported Paul today as did Cornyn...”
Poor John Cornyn is going to lose a lot of weight trying to keep up with Cruz between now and time for him to run for re-election in 2014. It’s almost getting funny.
Look: He either IS or ISN’T eligible. The rats will object-it’s what they do. I will say this: They will fight harder than the birthers did(r doing) vs. Obama.
Ted Cruz has made the senior Senator from Texas put on his running shoes since he arrived in Washington.
Before Ted was elected, I hardly ever heard a thing out of Corny. Now he seems to be trying to out-patriot Cruz at every turn.
Barry Goldwater said” get on the right or left of the road— you will get run over in the middle” Cornyn is a good man. He is completely lost in the crossfire— But today he stood up with the TEA PARTY and Dr. Paul. for which—I commend him.
LIBERTY!!
somebody ping me when Hannity is seated on the USSC.
I think we have way more important issues to worry about right now than whether Cruz is or is not eligible to be President. Seems like every time we have someone step up and speak out in support of the Constitution or a Conservative position they are immediately dubbed as a candidate for President. Two weeks ago it was Dr. Ben Carson.
Our most immediate issue seems to me to be to find a way to get the House to do it’s job and quit authorizing the spending of more money. And we need to find and elect true Conservative Senators in 2014 - all the while fighting off people like Rove and his band of merry men and women.
I agree. Nothing but a cheerleader. Entirely predictable.
When I talk to people who've never discussed the eligibility issue, and I explain that if the man calling himself "Obama" is telling us the truth about his origins, then he's not eligible due to concerns over divided loyalty, no matter where he was born, they instantly and instinctively understand that as the defining component in determining Natural Born Citizenship status.
Yes, Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen.
IMO Cruz is a statutory “citizen at birth” just like McCain was (retroactively) a citizen at birth and NOT an NBC.
NBC is defined in the constitution and affirmed by MvH while citizen at birth is legislative and cannot be NBC as clarified in MvH, IMO.
Cruz is a statutory citizen because, IIRC, his mom 9age 27 at his birth, IIRC) met the “years of US residence after age 14” requirement of the naturalization statute (unlike Stanley Ann Obama if she had given birth outside the US).
And your opinion, in this particular case, is not totally cracked. (It might surprise you to hear me say that, but it's true).
There is an argument, in this particular instance, to be made for what you're saying.
It's just that the argument just doesn't seem very strong.
We don't know absolutely for certain when it comes to folks like Cruz, born outside of US soil, but I'd give it at least about 20 to 1 odds that the courts would say that Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen.
As for any person born on US soil, regardless of the citizenship of his parents, we don't have to compute the odds on that, since the Supreme Court said Wong Kim Ark was a citizen, and all of their reasoning had to do with who was and was not "natural born."
Following on that decision, a bunch of courts (I've lost count by now) have ruled that Obama (whether you or I like it or not) is Constitutionally a natural born citizen and legally eligible to be President.
The Wong Kim Ark decision means Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal are good to go as well. And like I say, we don't have to put odds on that, because the odds are infinitely in favor of them being natural born citizens. It is long since decided.
The courts have already ruled, and the Supreme Court, in Obama's case at least, has refused in every instance that even hear an appeal on those cases.
If we have a bad President (and we do) the remedy for that is to scratch and tear at that President and his party. It is not to scratch and tear at the Constitution.
“Following on that decision, a bunch of courts (I’ve lost count by now) have ruled that Obama (whether you or I like it or not) is Constitutionally a natural born citizen and legally eligible to be President.”
SCOTUS has never affirmed that Obama is NBC, nor could they because there has never been full legal discover of his birth circumstances, and a forged BC is being put out by a corrupt HI state DOH and HI is hiding behind “full faith and credit.”
Barry’s attorney’s have used every legal trick in the book to PREVENT a trial on the merits with full discovery thus preventing SCOTUS from actually making a ruling on full discovery.
Mostly Barry’s legal team has been using claims of lack of plaintiff’s standing rather than transparency to defeat plaintiffs. If Barry had nothing to hide, why is he hiding behind personal privacy and not granting full “legal release” rather than lying and performing fake “releases” of forged pdf files?
What does that behavior by Barry’s lawyers tell you about whether they are scared to death that something in his background might render him ineligiible?
The Supreme Court never declared Wong Kim Ark to be a natural born Citizen.
Citizenship as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776.
The republic is lost.
Precisely, which is the whole reason the Framers inserted that peculiar wording into Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution to begin with. A simple exercise in logic and reasoning reveals it to anyone who would simply look.
What country wouldn't seek to ensure that their Chief Executive be of the highest caliber of citizenship possible? This isn't rocket surgery!
Presidents with a foreign born parent or parents:
Herbert Hoover had a Canadian-born mother.
Woodrow Wilson’s mother was English.
Chester Arthur’s father was Irish.
James Buchanan also had an Irish father.
Thomas Jefferson’s mother was born in England,
Andrew Jackson’s parents were both born in Ireland.
Barack Obama’s father was born in Kenya.
They didn't pronounce that at the end of the case, but their entire rationale was based on who was and was not a natural born subject in England, and a natural born citizen in the United States.
The minority on the Supreme Court clearly understood that the Wong Kim Ark ruling made him eligible to be President, and they said so.
Citizenship as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776.
Now you're quoting David Ramsay, who had absolutely nothing to do with the Wong Kim Ark case, was not a Supreme Court member, was not even a lawyer (so he didn't know very much about the law), and who was voted down about 35 to 1.
In other words, everyone (which included James Madison) disagreed with him.
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