Posted on 11/06/2012 8:42:40 AM PST by Seizethecarp
To find out more about Obama’s time in Indonesia, TheBlaze tracked down Father Bart Janssen. He’s the elderly founder of Santo Fransiskus Assisis who we found in a monastery in Den Bosch, The Netherlands. We asked him, through a Dutch translator, what he remembers of the young Barack Obama.
Janssen doesn’t remember who registered Obama, but he recalls that Obama’s mother didn’t speak Indonesian at the time, so he thinks that both the stepfather and the mother would have been there together to register their son. He also doesn’t think the details in Obama’s registration document should be considered official declarations of his faith or citizenship because it wasn’t a government form and people played loose with such facts at the time. For example, it was typical to register as Indonesian and Islamic just because you were living there, so the religion indicated may just be what his father put down because it was the normal thing to do.
An exit after one term from the White House could act as a catalyst for more information more quickly. An Obama win, on the other hand, would likely keep any information – at least from the president himself — sealed for at least four more years.
Voters on Tuesday, then, may be deciding more than just who the next president is – they could help decide how much more we know about the one we have now.
(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...
If the above could be true, then why was a forged birth cert necessary?
And not a shred of any kind of evidence at all, that SAD was in HI during that time?
I mean, none, as in none.
Thanks for posting all that. I was hoping I’d find time to go through your posts and find your explanation from the past.
Thank you for the reply. I have a couple more questions, if you want to take a stab at them:
1. Can an adopted child (even if un-adpoted later on) gain access to the original birth certificate and then if he wants to, make it public?
2. IMHO from reading research on FR since summer 2008, I do not think that the purported parents are the real parents. If that is the case, then the current President is using a fake ID. Aside from any forgeries, he is using someone elses’ name that he was not born with and never was issued via a legal name change.
What are the legal ramifications of this?
Can someone refer me to the first time they heard a question about OB’s birth or eligibility issue?
Or the first thread on this site.
Don’t know how to look up old threads.
Thanx.
See #340
This has been discussed before; I have no way of knowing how to find old threads other than by using various keywords as searches.
SOmetimes you can find topics by googling screen names or maybe words in titles, and using a date.
I remember the topic starting to be discussed summer 2008. Not in every detail, but starting to be questioned and discussed.
I figure these photos of him in training pants and at a typical Hawaiian beach shack (like many others I’ve seen in HI) was out at Hauula where FMD and his wife lived in that time frame.
Thanx Fred freepmailed it to me
I know the procedure for 3 states but not Hawaii. In those three states, it depends on how the original bc was changed to reflect the adoption. The changes would be either a piece of paper with the new info taped in the spaces, white out was used and the new info handwritten or typed across the spaces, or it might be scribbled through with the new info scrunched into the space. In none would there be a statement that it was changed though the changes would be obvious. I have seen a more recent one where a new form was filled out but of course that too would be obvious since the new can not replicate the form from the hospital with the doctor's signature. In all three, the "father" and "mother" would show the adoptive parents.
Back when all this bc stuff started, I keep posting that the original handwritten indexes needed to be found because there would be three+ lines (mother, father, baby) that a forger would need to change. Even then, the forger would have to "fix" entire pages starting at the original indexed page and "fixing" each one after that until they reached the end of that particular letter (O for Obama and other pages if, say, S for Virginia S. or whatever baby's was substituted) because you can NOT have any blank lines on the pages.
That said, I have seen sometimes that someone has messed up, especially where tape has fallen off or been taken off. Or if there was a goof up and the bc wasn't updated to the adoptive parents. Old tape will lose it's stickiness and fall off on it's own. When that happens, it is sometimes not obvious something might once have been there especially if you are looking at a copy and not the original. If you have the book and page number, those would have remained the same no matter any changes, and request a copy of the bc in the original name then no one is going to question it because there is not tape so for all they know there are no changes.
Yes, anyone can make their own bc public any time they wish. They can make public the original one, the adoptive one and the un-adopted one. It's theirs to do as they wish. Doesn't matter if the birth or adoptive parents don't want it publicized because it's not their bc.
Do an internet search for sometime around April to June 2008. He formally announced he was running Feb. 10, 2007 so there may have been rumblings further back.
http://obamaspeeches.com/099-Announcement-For-President-Springfield-Illinois-Obama-Speech.htm
Yes, anyone can make their own bc public any time they wish. They can make public the original one, the adoptive one and the un-adopted one. It's theirs to do as they wish. Doesn't matter if the birth or adoptive parents don't want it publicized because it's not their bc.
And of course that is the crux; I don't believe there is an original for him to show. Not with his purported parents names and DoB.
Thanx. I did find it and the dates of production are to wide to narrow it down to something that means something. ie first made in 1965 or something like that.
McCain did but he was too busy pimping for him with "we don't have to be afraid of an Obama presidency" and Romney did but he didn't even have the huevos to look into voter fraud. Every other presidential candidate for the past two elections had standing. Of course, every US citizen has standing but we know where that goes.
And you can bet if it did exist, it doesn't any more...
Now that you've made that clear once more, I'll make a prediction: the person who needs to read and absorb your comment once and for all, will totally ignore it. It will be as if it never appeared. And the very next time the subject arises, the same contention will be brought forth; the transcript proves, as far as our resident cockadoodledoo on the manure-heap is concerned, that Stanley Ann Dunham attended the University of Washington, and the transcript also shows her achievements at Mercer Island High School, and a brief attendance at the U of HI.
Just watch. It may not happen right away, but like that advertisment for a popular hair conditioner says, IT WILL HAPPEN. Because noisy little roosters never change their cockadoodledoos, they plan to remain in charge of the hen-house...
...at least until it's time for roast chicken on Sunday. Words don't bother them. We had one that used to wake us up at three in the morning. We warned him, but nothing less than plucking, stuffing and trussing him and a hot oven shut him up.
Various possible reasons.
1. The source original may have the ‘not stated’ for the father fields.
2. The on record one may have ‘amended’ stamped all over it.
3. It mayve been sealed due to the name change and adoption/guardianship process. Remember the claim that the Gov of Hawaii (Lingle) ‘sealed’ the record. Last time I checked Governors do not order records legally sealed - judges do. So the original may very well be officially sealed - but probably not by Gov. Lingle.
4. Many other reasons.
Even if Obama is father and SAD is mother the BC probably was spun and mutilated at various junctions.
1961.
1964. Divorce that is the first known legal AND verifiable reference to Obama II.
1965/1966. Possible adoption by Lolo.
1971. What ever happened there that required the legal birth father to make an extended stay in Hawaii during the Grand Reunion.
1980. Lolo / SAD divorce.
All or any of these and maybe other times were times when the documents would altered, amended, sealed, unsealed, etc.
got it
This statement is the same false assumption that I clearly debunked.
The Corsi detailed record was never purported to be the original entry record for 1961 and it is NOT typewritten for the 1961-62 entries but is computer generated. Provide a link if you think you can support your claim that the Corsi form was "purported" to be the 1961-62 ORIGINAL record.
It is clearly a later printout from a database into which the original 1961-62 course data had been keyed. I estimate that this printout was circa 1970 at the latest.
On this highly formatted record are tiny vertical fields for the HS transcript courses (that would be a big challenge in 1961, IIRC). The fields were aligned for computer printing onto the pre-formatted computer form, IMO, not typed or handwritten input, IMO. Onto this computer printout her U of HI bachelor and master degrees with date of completion were typed, the latest being in the early 1970’s. So obviously, this was not a 1961 original because it had 1970’s typed entries on it!
What this transcript purports to be is an official State of Washington archived record available to any citizen with a proper FOIA request because she is deceased, IIRC, and also producible in any court preceding.
In this one Corsi U of WA document (the very detailed one) we all her academic records through her masters that can be cross-corroborated including her HS transcript, her U of HI degrees and her U of WA transcript.
In contrast there isn't a shred of documentation proving that an alternate Anna S. Obama, who was Filipina wife of Obama with a baby that grew up to be Roman Obama, was ever in Seattle, ever was BHO Sr.'s wife, ever had a baby, ever even existed! A picture of "Anne" at a Nachmanoff party (ID'd as Japanese, IIRC) as being proof of anything is laughable!
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