Thank you for the reply. I have a couple more questions, if you want to take a stab at them:
1. Can an adopted child (even if un-adpoted later on) gain access to the original birth certificate and then if he wants to, make it public?
2. IMHO from reading research on FR since summer 2008, I do not think that the purported parents are the real parents. If that is the case, then the current President is using a fake ID. Aside from any forgeries, he is using someone elses’ name that he was not born with and never was issued via a legal name change.
What are the legal ramifications of this?
Can someone refer me to the first time they heard a question about OB’s birth or eligibility issue?
Or the first thread on this site.
Don’t know how to look up old threads.
Thanx.
I know the procedure for 3 states but not Hawaii. In those three states, it depends on how the original bc was changed to reflect the adoption. The changes would be either a piece of paper with the new info taped in the spaces, white out was used and the new info handwritten or typed across the spaces, or it might be scribbled through with the new info scrunched into the space. In none would there be a statement that it was changed though the changes would be obvious. I have seen a more recent one where a new form was filled out but of course that too would be obvious since the new can not replicate the form from the hospital with the doctor's signature. In all three, the "father" and "mother" would show the adoptive parents.
Back when all this bc stuff started, I keep posting that the original handwritten indexes needed to be found because there would be three+ lines (mother, father, baby) that a forger would need to change. Even then, the forger would have to "fix" entire pages starting at the original indexed page and "fixing" each one after that until they reached the end of that particular letter (O for Obama and other pages if, say, S for Virginia S. or whatever baby's was substituted) because you can NOT have any blank lines on the pages.
That said, I have seen sometimes that someone has messed up, especially where tape has fallen off or been taken off. Or if there was a goof up and the bc wasn't updated to the adoptive parents. Old tape will lose it's stickiness and fall off on it's own. When that happens, it is sometimes not obvious something might once have been there especially if you are looking at a copy and not the original. If you have the book and page number, those would have remained the same no matter any changes, and request a copy of the bc in the original name then no one is going to question it because there is not tape so for all they know there are no changes.
Yes, anyone can make their own bc public any time they wish. They can make public the original one, the adoptive one and the un-adopted one. It's theirs to do as they wish. Doesn't matter if the birth or adoptive parents don't want it publicized because it's not their bc.
“1. Can an adopted child (even if un-adpoted later on) gain access to the original birth certificate and then if he wants to, make it public?
2. IMHO from reading research on FR since summer 2008, I do not think that the purported parents are the real parents. If that is the case, then the current President is using a fake ID. Aside from any forgeries, he is using someone elses’ name that he was not born with and never was issued via a legal name change.”
It is important to understand the difference between “date accepted” and “date filed” printed on a Hawaii OLFBC or COLB.
If “date accepted” is on either the Hawaii OLFBC or COLB, then it is indicative of the fact the Hawaii registrar of vital statistics has accepted the affidavit of vital statistics submitted to the registrar and sworn as true and correct by the signatures of the mother, delivery doctor, and hospital administrator.
If “date filed” is on either the Hawaii OLFBC or COLB, then it is indicative of the fact the Hawaii registrar was sent a Court order to create a vital statistic record according the information provided by the Court order. So, if the Court orders the paternal parent to be Barack Hussein Obama Sr. with his race listed as “African,” then a COLB is created and it is filed as ordered.
We know Barack Hussein Obama II is his legal name because the Court ordered it when the Soetoro adoption was annulled. Previously, the Court ordered the OLFBC to be sealed and archived when the Soetoro adoption was finalized. Consequently, the OLFBC was sealed and archived after the Soetoro adoption was finalized, the Soetoro COLB was sealed and archived when the Soetoro adoption was annulled, and the Obama COLB with a “date filed” is the only vital statistical record that can be considered or examined in any Court or administrative proceeding. As far as the Courts are concerned, the OLFBC and Soetoro COLB do not exist and never have existed because they have been ordered sealed and archived.
Yet, Hawaii is one of the few states to allow adult adoptees to examine a copy of a sealed and archived OLFBC for genealogy purposes only. Consequently, Obama will never submit his OLFBC as evidence of his birthplace in any Court or Administrative hearing. A sealed and archived OLFBC can only be used for historical reference.