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Atheist Richard Dawkins: We Are ‘Apes,‘ Evidence for Jesus’ Existence ‘Is Surprisingly Shaky’
The Blaze ^ | August 26, 2012 | Billy Hallowell

Posted on 08/27/2012 2:13:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Famed atheist Richard Dawkins sat down with Playboy Magazine to discuss “the simple beauty of evolution, the improbability of God and why the pope should be arrested,” among other subjects. As usual, Dawkins took a provocative approach in the interview — one that people of faith will surely find offensive. These contentious anti-religious views appear in the September issue of Playboy.

(VIDEO AT LINK)

Toward the beginning of the interview, Dawkins was asked to weigh in and explain why, in the past, he has called himself a “tooth faith” agnostic. His explanation essentially frames his overarching views on God’s existence. Here’s how the dialogue unfolded:

PLAYBOY: You’ve described yourself as a “tooth fairy” agnostic. What is that?

DAWKINS: Rather than say he’s an atheist, a friend of mine says, “I’m a tooth fairy agnostic,” meaning he can’t disprove God but thinks God is about as likely as the tooth fairy.

PLAYBOY: So you don’t completely rule out the idea of a supreme being. Critics see that as leaving an opening.

DAWKINS: You can think so, if you think there’s an opening for the tooth fairy.

While it’s unlikely that the Lord exists — at least in Dawkins’ mind — if given the opportunity to ask the creator (in the unlikely event he’s real) a question, the famed biologist said he’d ask, “Sir, why did you go to such lengths to hide yourself?”

When it comes to the individuals Dawkins associates himself with, he admitted not having any “deeply religious friends.” In addition to separating himself from those who believe in a higher power, Dawkins took a swipe at the intellectual capacity of those who embrace God.

“It’s not that I shun them,” he said of the religious. “It’s that the circles I move in tend to be educated, intelligent circles, and there aren’t any religious people among them that I know of.”

Of course, many intelligent and educated people do, indeed, embrace the existence of a higher power. However, it seems Dawkins either avoids or simply hasn’t encountered these people.

As for the Bible and Jesus Christ — central tenets of the Christian faith — the famed non-theist didn’t have many favorable accolades to share. On the sociopolitical front, he believes that the holy books associated with Christianity, Judaism and Islam will prevent peace from ever coming to fruition in the Middle East.

“There’s not much hope to the extent that the most influential protagonists both base their hostility on 2,000-year-old books that they believe give them title to the land,” he explained.

Rather than staking the claim that Jesus Christ was merely a historical figure, but that he simply wasn’t the son of God as many other atheists have done, Dawkins seems to cast doubt on his existence.

“The evidence he existed is surprisingly shaky,” he told Playboy. “The earliest books in the New Testament to be written were the Epistles, not the Gospels. It’s almost as though Saint Paul and others who wrote the Epistles weren’t that interested in whether Jesus was real.”

“Even if he’s fictional, whoever wrote his lines was ahead of his time in terms of moral philosophy,” he added.

Dawkins called the idea that “Jesus died for our sins” “barking mad.” At the center of his angst over the salvation story is the notion that God found the need to torture himself to the point of death. He called the entire story “a truly disgusting idea.”

While he holds these intense views, he did admit that he hasn’t read the entire Bible, but that he believes his knowledge of it is more profound than “most fundamentalist Christians.” Despite not having read the entire book, the evolutionary biologist said that the book of Ecclesiastes is his favorite.

Dawkins also criticized the Pope and made the case against his alleged cover-up of crimes that were committed by clergy. He also went on to address evolution and his view that human beings are essentially “apes”:

PLAYBOY: Let’s turn to evolution, which many people misunderstand, such as believing we descend from apes.

DAWKINS: We are apes. We descend from extinct animals that would have been classified as apes. We are not descended from modern chimps or bonobos or gorillas. They’ve been evolving for exactly the same length of time as we have.

PLAYBOY: So what makes us human?

DAWKINS: We are a unique ape. We have language. Other animals have systems of communication that fall far short of that. They don’t have the same ability to communicate complicated conditionals and what-ifs and talk about things that are not present. These are all unique manifestations of our evolved ape brain, which some evidence suggests came about through a rather limited number of mutations.

These, of course, are only the highlights. While Dawkins has shared many of these views before, he reiterated, clarified and intensified his stance on non-belief and theism in his Playboy dialogue.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: atheism; bible; christianity; creation; evolution; israel; jesus; judaism
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"Beyond the pale" doesn't begin to describe it.
1 posted on 08/27/2012 2:13:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And it would be barking mad. Unless of course as Ronald Reagan once said, “HE is who he said HE was.”


2 posted on 08/27/2012 2:18:24 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not much said regarding Muslims.


3 posted on 08/27/2012 2:18:32 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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ted kennedy will meet this GODless creature when he arrives in hell. “Yeah richard... the Bible was all true”.

LLS


4 posted on 08/27/2012 2:19:18 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Sarah speaking at the romney convention would be like Led Zeppelin opening for The Monkees)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That is almost a first, as there can be debate on whether Jesus was God in incarnate, but there usually is not much debate on whether he existed or not.


5 posted on 08/27/2012 2:19:46 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds racist to me.


6 posted on 08/27/2012 2:21:13 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF YOU GET ONE CHOICE CHOOSE WISELY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
if given the opportunity to ask the creator (in the unlikely event he’s real) a question, the famed biologist said he’d ask, “Sir, why did you go to such lengths to hide yourself?”

But he doesn't hide himself. It always surprises me when a "scientist" doesn't see him plain as day.

7 posted on 08/27/2012 2:21:40 PM PDT by marron
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““It’s not that I shun them,” he said of the religious. “It’s that the circles I move in tend to be educated, intelligent circles, and there aren’t any religious people among them that I know of.”

Huh. That smart and he doesn’t know how to construct a sentence? Go figure. Unless, of course, he really does move among circles and they are inanimate. There may be such circles, but their existence is something about which I am unaware.


8 posted on 08/27/2012 2:21:54 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Racism is not dead...it is on life support - kept alive by politicians..." - Thomas Sowell)
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...because there’s no evidence of a body?


9 posted on 08/27/2012 2:23:31 PM PDT by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon...and man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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I stopped taking it seriously when I saw the interviewer listed as “Playboy”.

Really doubt Richard Dawkins is qualified to speak on the evidence of Jesus’s existence from either a scientific or historical standpoint.


10 posted on 08/27/2012 2:24:03 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Interesting that the man has such fear of God he has become insane, trying to run from the Almighty.


11 posted on 08/27/2012 2:24:40 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“ted kennedy will meet this GODless creature when he arrives in hell. “Yeah richard... the Bible was all true”.

Ted Kennedy (D-HELL) will undoubtedly represent him.


12 posted on 08/27/2012 2:25:20 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Racism is not dead...it is on life support - kept alive by politicians..." - Thomas Sowell)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dawkins is a particularly dim self-promoter who has a jones for notoriety earned by insulting God. See ya. Wouldn’t wanna be ya.


13 posted on 08/27/2012 2:27:45 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Democrats new name = The CSA - The Communist/Satanic/Anti-American Party)
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Dawkins is extremely sloppy in his argumentation - he reveals that he has not done his research.

The Israelis and Arabs fighting over Israel aren't referencing "2,000 year old books."

The Torah, even by the most liberal textual critical standard, is 2500 years and the Koran is 1300 years old.

In his letters, Paul explicitly says that if the crucifixion did not happen, then his words are meaningless.

Everything he says about religion demonstrates that he is only vaguely acquainted with the history and texts he is criticizing.

14 posted on 08/27/2012 2:28:23 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; FatherofFive
Some one once told Mother Angelica that they didn't beleive in hell, she replied, "You will when you get there."

That pretty much sums up my view on Dawkins.

15 posted on 08/27/2012 2:28:35 PM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tag line by administrator)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Mr. Dawkins could you please explain why, that if there is no God, did the universe bother to create itself?


16 posted on 08/27/2012 2:30:21 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Truly amazing. It appears there may actually be a person walking the face of this Earth with an even larger ego than Barack Obama. Who da thunk it!!!


17 posted on 08/27/2012 2:31:28 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey, Dick: if I’m wrong, oh well. If you’re wrong...well, I’d rather be in my position than in yours.

Jesus Reigns!


18 posted on 08/27/2012 2:33:53 PM PDT by jagusafr
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“The evidence he existed is surprisingly shaky,” he told Playboy. “The earliest books in the New Testament to be written were the Epistles, not the Gospels. It’s almost as though Saint Paul and others who wrote the Epistles weren’t that interested in whether Jesus was real.”

Doctor, Saint Paul apparently thought He was real enough to change from killing Christians to dying under the sword as one.

19 posted on 08/27/2012 2:36:45 PM PDT by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon...and man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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Gotta love how this guy blasts creationists in one breathe and in the same breathe he agrees with them that the Catholic Church is an evil cult and the Pope is the enemy. If Dawkins wants to promote evolution so much, why doesn't he spend his time targeting denominations of Christianity that teach young-earth creationism, instead of constantly trashing a religious figure who AGREES with him about evolution?
20 posted on 08/27/2012 2:38:35 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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