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1 posted on 02/11/2012 7:06:38 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica
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Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

2 posted on 02/11/2012 7:08:04 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a you tube generation? Put it on you tube!)
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I am waiting for the ruling that —like in China—we are only allowed one child.


3 posted on 02/11/2012 7:09:42 AM PST by Venturer
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Why?

4 posted on 02/11/2012 7:11:29 AM PST by humblegunner
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Welcome to Gatticamerica


7 posted on 02/11/2012 7:13:53 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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Not just eugenics, but population control.

Don’t forget, liberals believe humans are the single greatest scourge on the face of the earth and lowering the world’s population by 90%.

Of course, if they have their way, the only people remaining will be supporters of socialism.


8 posted on 02/11/2012 7:14:06 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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Birth control is ok according to the Christian and Jewish religions. Natural birth control using a woman’s cycle is approved by the Catholics and the Jews can use the pill (no barrier methods). (Jews can use the natural kind too, but there is a tradition of desiring intimacy right around ovulation — it’s not a mandate though.)


11 posted on 02/11/2012 7:16:15 AM PST by Yaelle (Go Santorum!)
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I don’t think most “garden variety” liberals look at abortion as a form of eugenics. They don’t have a “cause” other than to destroy anything that is good about America. They are out to destroy our Constitutional form of government and destroy all Judeo-Christian morality.


12 posted on 02/11/2012 7:16:22 AM PST by albie
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Gees. Producing 21st century Aryans, are we?


13 posted on 02/11/2012 7:16:27 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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Why is the government involved in this??

They didn't get involved in viagara??

How about providing free castration to those dudes who are getting these stupid girls in trouble?

15 posted on 02/11/2012 7:17:56 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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It is one side of their political ping pong table. The other side is economics.

They destroy the economy and when their opponents are in power, blame it on Republicans, conservatives, capitalism, and the free market, and they keep hitting the ball to that side to draw everyone’s attention over there. Meanwhile, they pass a bunch of socially leftist legislation quietly.

When they are in power, they ignore the economy they destroy and hit the ball to the “social issues” side of the table. They want to divert focus from the unconstitutionality of government-run healthcare and they do so by erect the straw-man argument of whether or not abortion should be funded through it. This is to rally the social leftists and make blind to the elephant in the room: because they have destroyed the economy, there is no money to fund socialist medicine at all, let alone the abortion/birth-control component of it.

And it is a straw-man because I reject the premise of the argument that we need to decide (’as a nation’) whether government-run healthcare should cover abortion/birth control because government-run healthcare is unconstitutional and THAT is what needs to be destroyed.

And neither Romney nor Gingrich will destroy it, because they are both big-government types like George W. Bush, who passed the pills-for-seniors bill which helped pave the way for government-controlled healthcare.


16 posted on 02/11/2012 7:22:24 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival. (Ron Paul is the Lyndon Larouche of the 21st century.))
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Contraception, Why Not? Great commentary on how contraception destroys families, a prime goal of the Left.
17 posted on 02/11/2012 7:23:54 AM PST by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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There are more people in the world than there is work for them to perform. Progressives see humans as Labor Units to be deployed in various industries to maintain an efficient collectivist economy. If you have more people than work, you need to cull the herd because the non-productive consumer of resources is the worst thing in the world to the Progressive. Birth control is the most humane means of accomplishing this culling. Take away birth control and they give you starvation, wars, purges, along with forced abortions and euthanizations.

Remember that there is no God to these people. Humans = Dogs = Pigs. And don’t fool yourself and think that I’m only talking about traditional liberals here. There are many ultra-wealthy industrialists who believe in this future for the masses too. They hide it in the Green Agenda and the Gay Agenda.

At our current stage of conversion to a communist economy, the Progressives need lots of useless eaters to break the system (i.e. Cloward-Piven). But, the endgame on C-P is almost here and once the system is crushed and the New Communism (in whatever form it takes) rises from the ashes, the Progressives will be very insistent that birth control become the favored means of population control and reduction.


18 posted on 02/11/2012 7:26:38 AM PST by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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What is the real purpose of birth control?

Being in control of your own life.

19 posted on 02/11/2012 7:26:54 AM PST by MeanGreen2008
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This might be a Flame Request I guess.

The objection to any form of birth control derives from a quaint little middle eastern custom from ancient times. It went something like this: you are a member of a tribe; you are at war with other tribes. If you lose - game over. If you win, you kill all the men, the women, their children, and animals and salt their fields - game over. Either way, you need to grow more people to fight the next tribe - thus ANYTHING that stops new little ‘soldiers’ from being grown is a Bad Thing. Best way to ‘freeze’ this injunction into the culture - stick it into the religion - task over.


23 posted on 02/11/2012 7:36:35 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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It’s easier to manage a smaller herd.


24 posted on 02/11/2012 7:40:19 AM PST by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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While eugenics plays a part in their thinking, the big reasons that Democrats/liberals/progressive fight for abortion is because of their haughtiness and arrogance and misguided sense of protection for their young. Fewer people means they can have the beach or forest trail all to themselves. Fewer people their children’s age means that there is less competition for their kids. Their kids might be able to make the basketball team after all! Democrats really are completely self-centered. Even their social programs are just means of holding other people down.


26 posted on 02/11/2012 7:55:55 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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I didn’t know much, if nothing at all about her. From what I just read.... Margaret Singer (who seems to be the creator of Planned Parenthood)....she definitely supported ‘negative eugenics’, but not abortion (necessarily).


Sanger’s family planning advocacy always focused on contraception, rather than abortion.[95][note 10] It was not until the mid 1960s, after Sanger’s death, that the reproductive rights movement expanded its scope to include abortion rights as well as contraception.[note 11] Sanger was opposed to abortions, both because they were dangerous for the mother, and because she believed that life should not be terminated after conception. In her book Woman and the New Race, she wrote, “while there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.”

In other words, she didn’t like the actual taking of life but promoted some weird/racist view of eliminating the ‘weak’ through contraception. Seems the modern movement pivoted about their new views and Sanger’s.


32 posted on 02/11/2012 8:08:59 AM PST by Rick_Michael ( 'REAL' Conservatives who witch hunt their own, are no better than Obama.)
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I have been trying to figure out the passion for abortion among progressives (liberals) my whole life.

That these elitists are so oblivious to their own hypocritical elitism will always take my breath away.

I can understand the pro-choice position, what I cannot understand is a *passion* for this practice. Even with the rich Planned Parenthood executives, there isn't that much money for liberals in abortion.

Now, antebellum southerners had social position, wealth, way of life to lose in the abandonment of slavery. Their loyalty to slavery made a certain sense.

What do progressives have to lose? Is abortion a way of life, wealth, social position?

I doubt that i'll ever understand the way that liberals make of abortion a statement of *faith*...blood sacrifice for their way of life?

34 posted on 02/11/2012 8:12:37 AM PST by Mamzelle
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Birth control is now an expensive entitlement. Conservatives will try to end the entitlement and liberals will be able to beat them bloody over this issue for centuries. Cannot put this genie back into the bottle.


35 posted on 02/11/2012 8:13:51 AM PST by HChampagne
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What is the real purpose of birth control? Why is all of this so important to progressives?

So the First World can keep the Third World from cutting into the resources the First World needs to maintain its lifestyle. It's just another version of "Screw the brown people; if they can't further our objectives by being slaves, they should liberate us from worry by being dead."
40 posted on 02/11/2012 8:24:44 AM PST by aruanan
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