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The poor in America
Orange Punch, the commentary blog of the Orange County Register ^ | 4-25-2011 | Mark Landsbaum

Posted on 04/25/2011 9:51:17 PM PDT by Mark Landsbaum

We are rightly concerned with the poor, who always will be with us and to whom we owe our support and aid. Of course, it’s quite another thing for the government to take from you to give to the poor. The presumption that the government can be compassionate with someone else’s money is absurd on the face of it.

Robin Hood was a thief first, and the ends don’t justify the means. Every theft does someone some good. But that doesn’t justify theft.

But being poor is quite another thing in itself. What is poverty? . . .

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To: Dr. White

Yes, there are poor.

People with disabilities. Some (NOT MANY) of the elderly. People who because of market changes or temporary conditions have lost income or jobs.

But the frustration of J6P is not because of those people. I have literally stood in line at the supermarket and seen folks with way bigger rears than me buying way better food than I was buying and leaving, climbing into their way better SUV than I can afford. With food stamps.

It is not the people who need a hand up who I am unwilling to support.
It is the people who gladly and proudly take a hand out, who feel they deserve it, and are willing to spit in the face of anybody who disagrees.

I have mentioned what follows on a couple threads.
A man in Washington state was sentenced to a year in jail just last week.

What did he do?
He sent life threatening emails to Gregoire.

Why did he do it?
Because the state told him they were going to cut (NOT TERMINATE!) his welfare benefits.

We simply can’t afford excuses any more.


21 posted on 04/25/2011 10:57:38 PM PDT by djf (Dems and liberals: Let's redefine "marriage". We already redefined "natural born citizen".)
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To: Dr. White
I think you misunderstood what I am saying FRiend.

TRUST ME I do know what it is like to be poor. I am.

What I meant is that many of the poor in America have options that are not available in other places - such as food stamps, unemployment and such. Things that were not available during the great depression.

22 posted on 04/25/2011 10:58:34 PM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: Dr. White

Your choice, Dr. In the USA or generally.


23 posted on 04/25/2011 11:03:16 PM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: absalom01
Poor in this country are more likely to be overweight than want for sufficient calories. I'm sure that you can come up with an example or two, but if by "lots of people" you mean a meaningful percentage of the population ... say, 5-10%, (or even 1%) you're full of beans.

And they all seem to have cell phones and other electronic devices. You're right that there may be a tiny number genuinely impoverished but most of the so-called "poor" of America would be envied in other countries. And they seem to drive pretty nice cars too.

A certain percentage of the so-called "poor" are just gaming the entitlement system put into place by Franklin Diablo Roosevelt, the president that paved the Socialist pathway for the likes of O'Bambi.

24 posted on 04/25/2011 11:30:58 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Dr. White

For much of my life I lived without owning an automobile, a TV, or a telephone. My clothing was plain and few in number.

And it is possible in the U.S. to eat well but cheaply. In the past I have managed on as little as a $1 a day, and no. it was not by scavenging in dumpsters or collecting road kill.

So, is it those who have too little who are poor, or those who want too much?


25 posted on 04/26/2011 12:23:52 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: piytar
One of the first and biggest victories of marxist propaganda: Perverting the children’s story of Robinhood (Robert of Loxely). Who did he steal from? Not “the rich,” but the TAX COLLECTORS.

I prefer to emphasize that he stole taxes from the collecting agents of the overbearing GOVERNING class using them to fund their lifestyle on the backs of their subjects.
26 posted on 04/26/2011 1:45:01 AM PDT by gatechie
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To: gatechie

That sounds eerily familiar.


27 posted on 04/26/2011 3:56:03 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Mark Landsbaum; Bean Counter; shibumi

Since this is your own material, you are not obligated to excerpt unless you’re afraid you’ll sue yourself for posting the entire content of your article.

Unnecessary excerpting is blog pimpery, and it is frowned upon by the site owner, Jim Robinson.

Straighten up and fly right, and you are welcome here. Pimp your blog, and you will get flak.


28 posted on 04/26/2011 4:01:36 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Mark Landsbaum

” to whom we owe our support and aid.”

OWE? I don’t think so.


29 posted on 04/26/2011 4:03:15 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Dr. White
Tell that to those in the United States who are cold and hungry, with holes in their shoes and little hope on the horizon. The myth of the poor not really being poor is just an excuse to look the other way and not help.

Indoor plumbing - check

Electricity - check

Air conditioning - check

Heating - check

Refrigerator - check

Cable TV - (sometimes) check

Cell phone - (often)check

Food stamps and free food - (often) check

Welfare and tax credits/subsidies - (often) check

Family/relatives support - (sometimes) check

Private charity assistance, including churches - (often) check

Other - check

Now go to foreign countries and visit with their poor and tell me the USA has a problem. Give me a break. Their are very few chronically poor people in this country, especially innocent chronically poor (not lazy, not drug addicts, not alcoholics, etc.)

30 posted on 04/26/2011 5:03:47 AM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: Dr. White
Pretending those conditions to be rare comes across as delusional and mean-spirited, as well as anti-Christian.

The "truth" is that except for drug and alcohol addicts and those with serious mental illness, poverty is rare in this country. There have also been many studies detailing the conditions of those whom the government claim are poor. They have cars, air conditioning, cell phones cable etc.

Addiction is a nearly intractable problem, as anyone who has a family member addicted knows. George McGovern's daughter (he wrote a good book about his daughter) being a prime example. He had virtually unlimited resources to help a person he loved more than life itself, and he couldn't save her. Expecting the government to solve problems such as these is a long trip down a dead end.

The left frequently uses data showing that the income of the lowest earners hasn't increase very much. What they don't tell you is that the people on the bottom frequently change. As Dr. Sowell put in a recent column:

Internal Revenue Service data show that the income of people who were in the lowest income tax bracket in 1996 rose by 91 percent by 2005.

31 posted on 04/26/2011 5:11:15 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Dr. White

I lived in the Philippines from 1988-1990. I was talking to a guy who sold american magazines on the street. He showed me a Newsweek article entitled “America’s Poor.” The first page was a photo of a “poor” couple, both of whom were obese. This guy, who was skinny as a rail, could not understand how people who were poor could be so big. Neither can I.


32 posted on 04/26/2011 5:22:16 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Mark Landsbaum
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33 posted on 04/26/2011 7:23:53 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: absalom01

Poor people like in Haiti, the “poorest” American would live like a King in Haiti.


34 posted on 04/26/2011 7:28:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: expatguy
Not relevant.

When an American is cold and hungry with clothes in tatters, their circumstances aren't improved in the least by information about conditions in Etiopia.

35 posted on 04/26/2011 9:30:46 PM PDT by Dr. White
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To: djf
There are a lot of poor people in the U.S.

There are also a lot of scammers.

People keep acting like the prevalence of the latter precludes the former from being prevalent as well.

It doesn't.

36 posted on 04/26/2011 9:34:00 PM PDT by Dr. White
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To: ALPAPilot
poverty is rare in this country

Incorrect.

In view of the current economy and current widespread joblessness, where are you presuming prosperity is coming from?

A red white and blue spigot in the sky?

37 posted on 04/26/2011 9:37:11 PM PDT by Dr. White
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To: Dr. White

I already replied to you


38 posted on 04/26/2011 9:40:24 PM PDT by expatguy (Donations Keep The Expat Fueled !)
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To: Go Gordon
You have sold yourself a checklist which doesn't apply to the legions of actual poor in America.

Presumably, you do so in order to either put a system you believe in up on a pedastel, or to 'justify' looking the other way while the actual poor suffer.

39 posted on 04/26/2011 9:41:37 PM PDT by Dr. White
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To: SatinDoll

Those who have too little.


40 posted on 04/26/2011 9:44:05 PM PDT by Dr. White
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