Posted on 04/02/2011 3:13:05 PM PDT by Creme Brulee
A new investigation of Obama’s birth announcements appearing in Hawaii’s two primary newspapers in August, 1961 shows, conclusively, they were the result of a registration record taken by the municipal health authority, not a medically verified “Live" birth documented as occurring at a Hawaiian hospital, per an officially defined "vital event" by the U.S. Department of Health, National Vital Statistics Division protocols.
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LOL - not even close, Bucko.
So because there probably would be race riots by criminal elements, we should all just ignore the Constitution?
Great logic there!/s
I read through the whole article. Yet another person that did their homework quite well on this issue.
“It would tear the nation apart and certainly lead to race riots”.
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Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn. Let them riot.
The whole point it to try to make us NOT be stuck with him until 2012
I would MUCH RATHER have him tossed out of office, jailed for treason along with pelosi and reid, and everything he signed voided including Kagan and the ‘wise latina’ than have to listen another 2 years of his GO#$~!%M election rhetoric and lose (but everything still stands)
“I disagree with humblegunner on this issue but you are clueless about him.”
OK, I’ll back off for now...until the next time he starts making kneejerk excuses for obummer.
JC
I made none.
I simply state that my opinion of the birther stuff is that,
while intriguing, it's ultimately useless. It's my opinion.
If that bothers you there isn't a thing I can do about it.
He continued, “It appears Obama’s birth was registered with the satellite office near his grandparent’s home some distance from the offices nearest to and most used by the hospitals. This particular office was commonly used by indigenous people of Hawaii wanting to record births of children outside of the city. This is why the U.S. Department of Health created the Certificate of Live Birth template in 1959 with a check box indicating whether or not the child was born in the city limits and if the residence of the mother was a farm or not. It appears Obama’s birth at least did not occur in the city of Honolulu and, at most, did not even occur in the state of Hawaii.”
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This fascinating, detailed report---specifically the information above---is very important for this reason:
It chips away at Obama's image as an honest person, because if the report is true, it shows that Obama is a liar and a fraud when it comes to telling us that he was born in a hospital in Hawaii.
At the very least, it also casts REASONABLE DOUBT on the claim by Obama and his supporters that he was born in a hospital in Hawaii.
1. That is, the detailed report---the result of two months of research in Hawaii, according to the news article---shows us that there is a strong possibility that Obama was not born in a hospital in Hawaii as he claims, because there is a strong chance that Obama's birth was not registered by either of two Hawaii hospitals at local government offices near each of the hospitals where they normally registered births, but rather, according to the report, Obama's birth was registered at a government office near his grandparents' home, a government office, according to the report, used mainly by immigrant families to register their newborn children who were not born in a Hawaii hospital and who may not have even been born in Hawaii.
2. In other words, if Obama's birth was not registered by a Hawaii hospital but by a family member near Obama's grandparent's home, then it clearly means that Obama was not born in a Hawaii hospital in 1961 as Obama and his supporters claim, and Obama is a liar and fraud when it comes to telling us about his Hawaii background as many of us have believed all along.
3. Another key reason why this report is so important, if true, is this: It challenges media commentators, tv hosts like O'Reilly, and state lawmakers who claim that Obama's birth listing in not one but two Hawaii newspapers way back in 1961 is proof positive that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his parents are Obama senior and Ms. Stanley Dunham.
4. State laws concerning presidential candidates long form birth controversy: This report might also help state lawmakers to re-consider why they voted AGAINST laws that would require presidential candidates to provide a copy of their long form birth certificate along with their application forms.
5. As many of us know, in recent attempts by state lawmakers to pass presidential eligibility laws where presidential candidates would be required to provide a copy of their long form birth certificates before they could put their names on a state's presidential primary ballot, several key state lawmakers have said that they cannot vote for such a law because they see such a law as a law that is written solely to attack Obama and his claim that he was born in Hawaii, a birth that these lawmakers quickly claim was proven to them beyond a shadow of doubt because Obama's birth was listed in two different newspapers way back in 1961.
6. In fact, I recall reading recently where a top lawmaker in New Hampshire cited Obama's birth listing in the two Hawaii newspapers as the main reason why he voted AGAINST a bill requiring presidential candidates to provide a copy of their long form birth certificates with their application forms.
7. My point is this: If state lawmakers can be convinced by this detailed report that Obama's birth listing in the two Hawaii newspapers back in 1961 is NOT as strong a proof of Obama's birth in Hawaii as they first thought, then maybe they might re-consider their opposition to a law where presidential candidates must provide a long form birth certificate before they can be placed on presidential primary ballots and on the main presidential ballot in Nov. 2012.
8. The detailed report raises another key point, if I read the report correctly: It says that the Department of Health was responsible for Obama's birth being listed in the newspapers and not the Obama family.
9. This is important because as we know, many Obama supporters and tv hosts---like O'Reilly---argue that it is preposterous to think that an Obama family member listed Obama's birth in the newspapers because the family member knew that Obama would be running for President of the United States some 40 years later.
10. However, if the Obama family did not know that the Department of Health, according to the report, automatically and routinely sent ALL birth registrations to the local newspapers back in 1961, then that would account for Obama's birth being listed in the two newspapers some 40 years before Obama ran for President of the United States, and it would mean that no Obama family listed Obama's birth in the newspapers, because the Department of Health did it automatically, and it could also mean that the Obama family did not even know or even care that the Department of Health automatically and routinely sent ALL registered births to the local newspapers unbeknown to parents who registered their newborn child, a child who may or may not have actually been born in Hawaii.
11. I would like to see copies of this report sent to state lawmakers all over the country, especially those lawmakers considering presidential eligibility laws.
12. I would also like to see and hear the author of the report on national radio and tv shows like Hannity and O'Reilly, so that he could explain his report to a national audience.
13. I wish the author of the report had added the following items to the report:
a. The address of the government registration office near Obama's grandparents home back in 1961.
b. The distance from the grandparents' home to that registration office.
c. The addresses of the government registration offices near the two hospitals.
Speaking of logic ...it’s hard to understand how you make the deduction that I said we should ignore the Constitution. But, now that you mention it; there’s a lot of that going on lately, isn’t there?
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/pen-spills-ink-makes-mess/
However, just a bit further east into the Idaho panhandle lies a wonderful combination of natural unspoiled environment and conservative populous.
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From obamaconspiracy rebuttal article: "Such vital statistics, however, were not sent to the newspapers by the general public but by the Health Department, which received the information directly from hospitals, [DoH spokesperson Janice] Okubo said."
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I am an anti-Obama poster. I believe he is a liar and a fraud when it comes to what Obama tells us about his background.
1. Having said that, it seems to me that Okubo is saying above that the ONLY births listed in the two newspapers were those that occurred in Hawaii hospitals located all over the Hawaiian islands, and not just those births that occurred in hospitals on the island where Honolulu is located, Oahu.
2. She also seems to be saying that if an infant was NOT born in a Hawaii hospital, its birth was NEVER published in the two newspapers.
3. My point is this: If just one or more births listed in the Hawaii newspapers ,say, between 1955 and 1965---Obama supposedly was born in Hawaii in 1961---occurred in another location besides a Hawaii hospital---the child was born in a private residence or in another country---then I would say that Okubo's statement above is in error, and such a non-hospital birth listing would then add fuel to the theory that Obama was not born in a Hawaii hospital as Obama and his supporters claims.
4. Myself, I find it hard to believe that the ONLY births listed in the two newspapers when Obama was supposedly born in 1961 occurred in Hawaii hospitals located in the several Hawaii islands for this reason:
5. As many of us know, back in 1961, Hawaii had a large legal and illegal Asian immigration population, many of whom arrived in Hawaii when Hawaii was still a far away territory that had relaxed immigration procedures before it became a state in 1959.
6. So I would think that it is reasonable to expect that non-hospital births that occurred among the many recent Asian immigrant pineapple workers living on several Hawaiian islands would routinely be mingled with regular hospital births when the Hawaii Department of Health sent its birth lists to the local newspapers.
7. Just another thought: I may be wrong, but it is also difficult for me to believe that the ONLY births listed in the two newspapers in 1961 were births that occurred in hospitals that were located on the island of Oahu, the island where Honolulu is located.
8. That is, I would think that births that occurred on the other islands, whether they occurred in a hospital or not in a hospital, would also be listed in the two newspapers, because I would think that the two newspapers sold many newspapers on other islands besides Oahu, the island where the newspapers' main offices where located in Honolulu.
9. Of course, as we all know, Obama could quickly put to rest this controversy about his place of birth and the controversy about his long form birth certificate by listening to Trump and allowing Hawaii officials to release his long form birth certificate tomorrow, if not sooner.
I wondered how she's cope with the winters. She has her wood stove, a pickup, snowshoes - you couldn't PRY her from there now. (It's her Mainiac genes kicking in.)
She sends great photos - I could, were I younger, be very tempted. (But her sweet little dog got stomped to death by a moose!)
I don't know where you are getting that idea. She doesn't mention the other islands. What she's saying is the papers got the info from the Health Department, and the Health Department got the information from hospitals. She doesn't specify which islands.
Having looked at the newspaper page on which Obama's birth announcement appears, I can be pretty sure that only births on Oahu were listed:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg
Notice, there are no births, deaths, or marriages from outside Oahu listed there. Which makes a lot of sense. I seriously doubt either Honolulu paper had much readership outside Oahu.
2. She also seems to be saying that if an infant was NOT born in a Hawaii hospital, its birth was NEVER published in the two newspapers.
She doesn't say that either, but I would stipulate that it's not true. I suspect that home births on Oahu that got reported to the health department made it into the paper. Obuko ommitted mention of that because home births are rare, and that was true on Oahu even in 1961.
5. As many of us know, back in 1961, Hawaii had a large legal and illegal Asian immigration population, many of whom arrived in Hawaii when Hawaii was still a far away territory that had relaxed immigration procedures before it became a state in 1959
You're about 4 decades off on your dates. The big Asian immigration waves to Hawaii were over by the mid 1920's. By 1961, the vast majority of Asians living there were American-born. And I don't think there's any evidence of a large illegal population during the 1960's.
6. So I would think that it is reasonable to expect that non-hospital births that occurred among the many recent Asian immigrant pineapple workers living on several Hawaiian islands would routinely be mingled with regular hospital births when the Hawaii Department of Health sent its birth lists to the local newspapers.
More likely there were still some home births on outer islands in the very rural areas, such as in Maui, Molokai, and the Big Island, but those would not appear in the Honolulu paper based on the extant evidence.
7. Just another thought: I may be wrong, but it is also difficult for me to believe that the ONLY births listed in the two newspapers in 1961 were births that occurred in hospitals that were located on the island of Oahu, the island where Honolulu is located.
Just a cursory glance at the papers reveals they were only listing births in Oahu. There were very few births on that island outside hospitals, so it follows that nearly all the births were hospital births. There may have been some home births, but again, we have hard data revealing that home births were very rare.
8. That is, I would think that births that occurred on the other islands, whether they occurred in a hospital or not in a hospital, would also be listed in the two newspapers, because I would think that the two newspapers sold many newspapers on other islands besides Oahu,
Then there should be births outside Oahu listed in the editions of the paper that Obama's birth is listed. There aren't, which means the papers did not list births on other islands.
And that makes sense. Have you ever been to Hawaii? If have, you'll know the islands are fairly isolated from one another. Even today, it's hard to get a Honolulu paper on Maui or the Big Island. They have their own local papers, and I suspect that was true in 1961.
9. Of course, as we all know, Obama could quickly put to rest this controversy about his place of birth and the controversy about his long form birth certificate by listening to Trump and allowing Hawaii officials to release his long form birth certificate tomorrow, if not sooner.
What makes you think he wants to put the controversy to rest?
You're about 4 decades off on your dates. The big Asian immigration waves to Hawaii were over by the mid 1920's. By 1961, the vast majority of Asians living there were American-born. And I don't think there's any evidence of a large illegal population during the 1960's.
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So you are saying that ALL workers in the sugar and pineapple fields located in several Hawaii islands in 1961 were born in the United States, specifically in Hawaii, which had only been a state for two years in 1961.
If you are correct, then the idea that ALL the workers in the sugar and pineapple fields in the Hawaii Islands in 1961 were born in Hawaii or in other places in the United States I find truly amazing.
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What, you now claim to be a mind reader, because you seem to know why Obuko did not mention home births in her statement?
If you admit that home births did occur and were reported to the Health Department back in 1961, then it seems to me that you are leaving the door open to the possibility that one of those home births could have been the birth of Obama.
Birth announcements can be made from anywhere at anytime, for instance, I know someone who was born in another country - the parents put a small birth announcement in a local paper in their hometown to let people know they had a baby - it did not say the baby was born in X country . it just said Mr and Mrs Y would like to announce the birth of their daughter born on (insert day, month, year).
You forgot to add, “There were two newspaper announcements. You’d have to be stupid to think those were planted so as to fool the public 40 years in the future. I mean, it couldn’t be something simple like the grandparents wanted their grandson to have the advantages of being recognized as an American citizen rather than go through life as a third world citizen. Why, that would be CRAZY!”
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