Posted on 05/18/2010 8:41:44 AM PDT by butterdezillion
The Hawaii Department of Health claims in official communications that the original birth index and index of foreign births (which are both required to be retained permanently) don't exist.
When vital records were converted to their current electronic format and the computer itself allowed sorting and locating, the HDOH submitted the old, original paper indices (VR-1)to the comptroller for a determination of what should happen to them. The comptroller agreed that those indices should be retained permanently, as originals and/or as security and search microfilms.
The HDOH at the same time made a separate request for the certificates themselves (VR-2)to be analyzed and it was decided that they, too, should be kept as originals and microfilm security and search copies authorized.
So there were 2 different requests for 2 different kinds of documents which were in physical form, able to be microfilmed.
The Hawaii State Archivist says that microfilm copies were not requested for the indices and the Vital Statistics Office should have the originals as required in the retention schedule.
I asked the HDOH for their documentation regarding the destruction of these documents. (Every department is required to keep detailed records of what documents they have destroyed, showing that they followed the retention schedule.) The deadline for them to respond is past and they have not provided those records.
The illegal destruction of permanent records SHOULD prompt an investigation in Hawaii. We will see what the Ombudsman does with this. (Don't hold your breath)
The documentation for all this is on a new post at my blog, which I will link to in the 2nd comment.
This is for everyone who doesn’t know what we’re talking about. As always, each state does things their own way so ymmv.
Anyway, let’s say there was a birth index book for years 1960-1965, it would list all the births recorded for those years and it would be easily opened so extra pages could be added as needed (red flag!). The books themselves are about the size of a legal sheet of paper (”about” meaning sort of so don’t quote me on the exact measurement) and is lined across like notebook paper with a line top to bottom to provide two columns.
The pages are divided with alphabetical tabs so that you can find the person’s last name more easily than having to flip through the entire book. So yes, all the babies born with a last name beginning with “O” would be together. Parents would also be listed by their last names, but parents might not have the same last name as the baby so would be under their prospective alphabetical tab. That’s where the cross reference comes in.
Yes, the names are entered by hand in chronological order by last name. As we all know, there will be more last names beginning with A, L, and M than Q, X, and Z so that’s the reason for having books that can easily be opened and have pages added as needed.
Now comes the tricky part since every state does their own thing. Every entry should be allowed one line so if the baby is listed in the left column then you can see that the amount of room is limited in the right column for further information to be entered. HI may or may not have listed any or all of the following - birth date, page number and volume where the b/c is located, and certificate number and maybe the parents names for the baby’s entry and the baby’s name for the parents entry. If anything, they should have written in the page number and volume where the b/c is located and parents/baby names.
FYI, this should be the same with death records (cough, cough).
I’m thinking your husband’s local file number would be the page and volume his b/c would be found in the local (county clerk?) office. Did you tell me that HI doesn’t have county clerk offices? Or it could be the county clerk penciled in their filing number which is when it first went through their office.
We must have a Freeper working at HDoH!!
Remember December of 2208, when he was in Hawaii around Christmas and the power was out all night long and at the same time Rahm was in Kenya..... the fix was done. Or at least they hoped the fix was in. There was never one photo or one news article mentioning Rahm in Africa. Safari? BS.
An index of names (child and parents) and serial numbers.
Buckeye Texan was saying that there would be multiple entries for Obama in the birth index if Obama’s BC was amended because that’s who databases work.
I explained that the index data they give out now (which Donofrio and others have received) is the index data for the event, not for all the times the record was changed. They have one index for Obama’s birth because that was a single event.
His certificate could have gone through multiple changes without changing the fact that Obama’s birth is one event, with one birth index entry for that event.
I’ve asked to see the database’s transaction record for Obama’s BC, and the HDOH says it would frustrate a legitimate government function if that record is public. They won’t tell me exactly what legitimate government function.
There are clerks offices on each island. Each island is its own county. Birth records on Maui went to that island’s office, where it would be “Accepted” by the registrar. It would then be “Filed” by the registrar in Honolulu where the main office is upon the arrival of the record there. It could take time to get from island to island, and this is the reason for the two different terms.
Or what did they change in the record...
Hard to say what was going on with that. Nothing was done about these actions until now. Makes me wonder if they changed some data and are now threatening to talk about it.
Hard to say. But interesting, for sure.
Interesting! So without this index we could not confirm that Obama's COLB Serial Number belonged to another Child or Event without a complete inventory of the Original documents.
He was born with two citizenships, and this is the only relevant issue in my book.
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He has never denied that. He was elected and is still there. He will never be removed because of that. If that were the case, he would never have been allowed to be elected. The SCOTUS wants nothing to do with it. They aren’t going down that road. Counting on that to remove him from office is a pipe dream.
However, find that he committed fraud, fixed legal documents, the court of public opinion will remove him from office. You have to keep in mind, this is the “American Idol” America now. An affair with Reggie Love or Michael Signator would probably take him down faster than if he came right out and said that he was really born in Kenya but that his family lied to him and he didn’t find out until he had already been elected.
I’m not fond of hypothesis’s but I am very fond of facts. You won’t see the facts posted here or elsewhere. It’s what goes on behind the scenes that counts.
But the scum working FR have convinced too many already that the Founders didn’t mean that a president cannot have dual citizenship. We have read their posts, stating openly that ‘dual citizenship is not a disqualifier and you can’t prove it is because there is no such phrase int he Constitution.’ And we have read that talking point from several of the obamanoid scum posing as conservatives at FR, yet they remain a protected species. We even have a greowing list of these scum, yet they are protected.
Joe, why do you ignore the strong possibility that they accessed in order to fabricate in a/the record?
FRAUD IN THE USA (Chapter 1, Part 1): The greatest birth certificate fraud in history
I believe Ch 1 part 4 shows how it was put together. It was printed on adhesive film and attached to a piece of security paper. There are fibers hanging off one of the edges which would be cause from laying the film down prematurely and fibers getting stuck to it. There are errors. He shows you quite a bit. It's a phony.
The only other way to know the certificate numbers (besides this index or, possibly, the ledger book)is by seeing the actual birth certificates. HDOH rules say a non-certified COLB can be sent to anybody who asks for it, and UIPA requires discloseable records to be disclosed. But the HDOH refuses.
This document may or may not have the actual certificate number on it. It could have a different, local filing number. But if Obama’s name is not on that original sheet of paper then we know he had no complete BC at the HDOH within the years the index book covers.
Since the pages are removable they could forge a page in order to insert Obama’s name - which may be why they said they don’t have the index. They could have denied the record exists in order to get me off their back (apparently they know nothing about stubborn German-Swede-Dane mutts like me. lol) or to buy them time to alter the record.
And we have a freeper named LorenC whose job (from Axelgreasy no doubt) it is to concentrate on attacking Ron for anything he offers.
It's still hearsay. He can have no personal knowledge of who his Daddy was. He's relying on what his mama told him.
Thats what I took away from it. It would be a smoking gun of some sort. Exactly WHAT sort.... I don’t know.
Corrupt as hell tho.
Me too and I agree.
I have been through the ringer with “Dr.” Polarik. I do not consider him to be legitimate. Why? Because he has NOT examined the document, only the PHOTOS, and you can’t prove anything with a photo. Secondly, Polarik is NOT a document specialist. He knows a lot about digital imagery. BIG difference there, massive.
Polarik WANTS the COLB front and center.
I want Obama’s heritage and his British Citizenship front and center.
Everything tied to Polarik I view with a shaker of salt on continuous pour over my shoulder. I don’t trust the guy. He has called me a liar and a fraud even after I sent him a great deal of personal information. I don’t trust him as far as I could throw Michell Obama. If my identity ever gets stolen, he is going to be the first person I track down.
Thats why we can’t give up my FRiend!
DO NOT GIVE UP THE SHIP!!!!!!!!!!
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The burden of proof is upon the president to prove his eligibility... not upon prosecutors to prove he his not.
For Obama to claim that the only source of documented proof of his place of birth has been destroyed only suggests that he does not maintain his own personal records which he would have needed throughout his life to show he was at least a citizen for the various jobs and positions he has held.
There is probably a mountain of evidence of his FRAUDULENT use of multiple social security numbers which grossly overshadows what little if any use of valid identification he might have had. Therefore, if it can be shown that he has used multiple identities, and Obama cannot prove that he actually has one of his own, then what would be left for a judge or jury to decide?
Oh... hospital lost my records... that makes my claim to be born there legit!!!... Yeah.. RIGHT!
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