Posted on 05/18/2010 8:41:44 AM PDT by butterdezillion
The Hawaii Department of Health claims in official communications that the original birth index and index of foreign births (which are both required to be retained permanently) don't exist.
When vital records were converted to their current electronic format and the computer itself allowed sorting and locating, the HDOH submitted the old, original paper indices (VR-1)to the comptroller for a determination of what should happen to them. The comptroller agreed that those indices should be retained permanently, as originals and/or as security and search microfilms.
The HDOH at the same time made a separate request for the certificates themselves (VR-2)to be analyzed and it was decided that they, too, should be kept as originals and microfilm security and search copies authorized.
So there were 2 different requests for 2 different kinds of documents which were in physical form, able to be microfilmed.
The Hawaii State Archivist says that microfilm copies were not requested for the indices and the Vital Statistics Office should have the originals as required in the retention schedule.
I asked the HDOH for their documentation regarding the destruction of these documents. (Every department is required to keep detailed records of what documents they have destroyed, showing that they followed the retention schedule.) The deadline for them to respond is past and they have not provided those records.
The illegal destruction of permanent records SHOULD prompt an investigation in Hawaii. We will see what the Ombudsman does with this. (Don't hold your breath)
The documentation for all this is on a new post at my blog, which I will link to in the 2nd comment.
They didn’t destroy the original certificates, or at least they haven’t claimed to do that. So the original BC should still exist.
What they’ve said doesn’t exist is the handwritten index, which was written so that they could locate birth certificates when requested. Bgill can probably tell us more about what that index would be like.
Details, the devil is in the details. You are doing a fantastic job of pressing for those details!
My gut is telling me that if, make that WHEN, the details become public, not only will Obama be exposed, but there will be a new volcanic eruption in Hawaii.
What a convenient co-inkydink.
I am grateful for what you are doing! Let me be 100% honest on that!
However, I hate to say this, it’s irrelevant. Where Obama was born is completely irrelevant.
His father was British. Obama was CONCEIVED with two two citizenships, his birth made that status permanent. He is a citizen of the United States and Great Britain.
From the instant of his conception, he could NEVER have been a Natural Born Citizen, even if born in the Lincoln bedroom.
Hawaii is irrelevant, and continuing to make Hawaii an issue is actually serving Obama’s best interests.
As long as Hawaii and the birth certificate are INFRONT of Obama’s citizenships in the public eye, the press, pundits, and average lay people cannot see the HUGE import of Obama’s citizenships. It gets lumped in and roundly mocked as a “birther” issue, when indeed it isn’t.
It is my argument that Obama is withholding his birth documents as a smokescreen. That is quite likely it’s ONLY purpose. As long as people are devotedly going after the stupid and irrelevant long form, they are not out talking about how it is impossible to be a Natural Born Citizen with TWO citizenships at birth!!
If the man could never ever have been a Natural Born Citizen...
WHO CARES WHERE HE WAS BORN?????
Its totally irrelevant.
THIS is what we should be pushing, this is what needs to be discussed, and it HAS to be done separate from where he was born.
God bless you! Thank you for what you are doing! But it isn’t helping get the important facts made public. He could never have been an NBC, so who cares what documents Hawaii has, doesn’t have, is hiding, or has burned? It is totally unproductive to the cause of getting the real matter before the public.
Pushing the Birth Certificate issue is providing Obama with a blast shield.
We need to stop giving him that shelter, and expose the cretin to the full brunt of history and responsibility. He isn’t a natural Born Citizen because of his heritage. His birth place is irrelevant.
The certificates haven’t been destroyed, but the index (which is a public record and should be accessible to the general public) has been - unless the HDOH is blatantly lying (which is entirely possible).
Either way, the fact that they’re claiming that records required to be permanent don’t exist should prompt an investigation of the HDOH.
There were rumors going around many, many months ago that the original records were destroyed. These rumors were proven false. Hawaiian officials said that they never destroyed original birth records when converting to digital archives.
Makes me wonder who in the DOH is living beyond his/her paygrade?
“Hawaii doesn’t enter the picture.”
This is true ONLY if BO is really his father. Which the BC would likely tell us.
They haven’t said they destroyed the birth certificates themselves. But they have said that the INDEX (whch is a public record and thus accessible to the public) doesn’t exist even though it is required to be retained permanently.
They also say that there is no index to foreign births, which is a computerized record at this time but Alvin Onaka requested the copies to be microfilmed in 1991. If there were none, what did he request to be copied?
I didn’t distinguish in that request whether they had to be the originals. The HDOH denied that they have ANY index to foreign births at all - not even a computer file with names listed.
How very Damien Thorn like!
I think Hawaii had lots of “foreign births” they wanted to deep six, not just BO’s. It would be very interesting to see how many SS#’s in use today are recycled from long dead persons (except some of the people that came in through Hawaii like BO did have since died and with them the recycled numbers they used). It should be possible to do an automated search with a Cray computer of the entire SS# database since the middle two digits relate to when a number was issued. So some day when the Fed. gov. is no longer controlled by traitors, it may be possible to nail Hawaii on their illegal immigration scheme by seeing how many people with such numbers have a “birth” location in Hawaii.
Keep being vexatious, butter, it’s going to pay off. The investigation won’t be initiated by Hawaii - but they’ve publicly admitted to breaking a law and it is only a matter of time.
Meanwhile, on another front, it is now clear that Barry, while in the employ of the government, has used two different social security numbers, neither of which look legitimate. He used one issued in Ohio and beginning with “282” while he was a Senator. He is using another beginning with “042” issued in Connecticut. The latter appears to be a recycled number that was issued to a man (later in life) born in Connecticut in 1890. Let’s see how he explains that.
I remember State-run media having a hissy fit when the 18 minute gap situation occurred with the Nixon tapes. Where is the outrage here? The media is pathetic and digusting!!
How can Fukino’s claim to have seen the “original” birth records be true? Was she lying then or is she lying now?
The State Dept should have some form of backup from Obama’s passport applications as a child traveling back and forth to Indonesia ... unless Hillary has destroyed that too.
convenient.
At this point the thing that most concerns me is the lawlessness. We can survive Obama if we must, but we cannot survive this kind of lawlessness. It is the lawlessness which allowed Obama to be elected in the first place, has kept him in office, and has allowed him to take over anything he darn well pleases. It will be the lawlessness that renders our elections moot because illegals cancel out the votes of Americans.
Lots of people don’t understand or care about the natural born requirement in the Constitution. Still others care but think that the 14th Amendment defines the term. Those are important issues which must be decided by SCOTUS.
But anybody with a brain and half an ounce of honesty should recognize that this lawlessness is a fatal disease that will kill us if we don’t stop it now. I think that is an aspect to this issue that resonates with the American public, as it should.
Obama and the complicit government, media, and law enforcement have broken multiple laws in order to demonize a group of people which wants the law to be followed. That is what people are realizing about Obama on many, many issues. His handling of the eligibility issue can easily be seen as an extension of the way he’s handled EVERYTHING.
Now we’re seeing how the minority which balks at Arizona’s law requiring enforcement of current immigration law is trying to start the same situation which caused the Articles of Confederation to fail: the states doing battle with each other. If Arizona was trying to change their immigration law to be different from the federal law it would be another thing, but this is cities boycotting a state simply because that state believes the existing federal laws should be ENFORCED.
This is a battle of epic proportions. No civilization can survive without the rule of law. I think most people know that. Mexico is battling the drug lords for the rule of law. Anybody who is watching that HAS to realize that we will have the same battle if we refuse to enforce any of our laws.
The COLB with Obama Sr. name on it could not have been generated if that was not the father listed on his long form.
Maybe you should run this by Andy Martin???
Looks like he can't do that.
Keep plugging away on the social security number fraud. Again, it’s blatant lawlessness. When is anybody in an official capacity going to care enough to do something about it?
The reason people don’t want to believe the evidence is because they want to think that they are protected by the people who have been given that responsibility. But the evidence increasingly suggests that the people who are supposed to be protecting us by upholding the law are actually ignoring it (and that’s the best-case scenario. As we see with the HDOH they are actively breaking the law).
People would like to think that if we ignore the boa constrictor it will go away. It won’t, and Americans will either wake up before it’s too late (if it’s not too late already) and cut off the boa’s head.... or they will be squeezed to death with a lethargic smile on their face - probably singing praise for what the boa has done for them.
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