Posted on 04/24/2010 2:22:48 PM PDT by Welshman007
New information has come to light concerning the Polish plane crash that killed the main figures of Poland's government, including its President.
According to investigative reporter Jane Burgermeister, the black box indicates no mechanical issues with the plane and no interference on the part of Poland's President to force a landing of the plane against the wishes of the pilot.
(AP Photo/Petr David Josek). Poland mourns.
In addition, there is no indication at all from the recovered record that the plane attempted several landings, as reported by Russian officials. The plane attempted to land only once.
Discrepancies also exist with regard to claims by Russian officials regarding crash logistics, the ability of the pilot to speak Russian, and other official statements that do not square with the facts.
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The story about the stabbing of the journalist who took the video is unconfirmed. It is sourced only from a blog - I have been all over the internet trying to follow it up but coming up with nothing - not even the full name of the person concerned.
So this remains to be investigated. It is true, beyond question, that quite a number of writers who gave Putin trouble were murdered or died in “accidents.”
I have been very suspicious, right from the start, that the black box recordings have not simply been released. Given the importance of this case, they should have been. The changing stories about how many times the plane attempted to land are also suspect.
True.
It is true, beyond question, that quite a number of writers who gave Putin trouble were murdered or died in “accidents.”
Also true.
Putin did this because to every Russian The Katyn Forest Massacre is something every Russian wants to forget and something every Pole cannot and will not. I can’t understand why the Polish Government could have trusted the Russians like this. I mean for something so sensitive and painful to Polish history and national memory, to go to the belly of the beast to commemorate the event....
Just like the Katyn Massacre, for many decades Kremlin communist tyrants (right up to Putin) continued falsely claiming they knew nothing about the slaughter of over 20.000 Polish officers, coupled with many captured Polish anti-communists, the invading Russians captured in eastern Poland, when Hitler Nazis, and his ally Stalin, invaded Poland in 1939.
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Who would have thought?????
Russia has been evil for a long time....they are infected with it.
One has to act before they get dragged off to the Katyn Forest.
Yet many folks, even here, clueless on the history of Russia and the KGB, put people who even suggest the Russians may be involved in such acts in the same camp with the 9-11 "Bush did it" crowd. Crazy conspiracy theories like that one are often put out intentionally by the left in any an attempt to undermine legit theories implicating their own. Many people just lump them all together as loony conspiracy theories.
Yes, that could do it unless the pilot had even a simple VFR GPS he could cross check for altitude. One would think that a large, transport class, turbine aircraft would have some of this simple gear but the 737 in which Ron Brown died didn’t have even a handheld GPS.
More worms for the large can being opened.
Exactly! These people who have FACTUALLY killed with the tip of an umbrella want to make someone who believe in sabotage by the Russians as if we are putting forth a UFO theory. I mean history supports the claims, you know?
P.S. There were two men who escaped Aushwitz who were not believed when they explained the things that went on there. It was just too incredible to comprehend for normal people. Then, the armies filmed what was found in concentration camps because they knew that no one would believe them otherwise.
Sometimes people are capable of more than our ideological views of humanity would allow.
Someone said why would the Russians shoot the polish government with bullets, wouldn’t the Polish coronors detect bullet wounds. My point is that Tusk was against the missile defense shields and is a pro-Russian official. The larger point is that it is not impossible that coronors ignore certain...things, especially if this was assassination.
The day this video came out, it was taken down as fast as we could post the links. Finally it was downloaded onto an American server and posted that way.
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I also want to apologize for the horrific lack of paragraphs in my previous posts.
Here is a good article on polskaweb.eu
It is translated at the kavkazcenter website. Of course without speaking Russian or Polish (they are similar I believe) I can only take the translation as truthful until someone can translate otherwise. You know, I think this may even be in German. I need to take a foreign language class.Jeez
http://polskaweb.eu/ungereimtes-um-polnische-flugzeug-katastrophe-63537356.html
Here is English version
http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2010/04/24/11913.shtml
The Polish news agency in German Polska Web News in its article entitled “Tupolev crashed earlier” published a report revealing new facts of terrible bloody crime of Russians against Polish President Lech Kaczynski and his team on 10 April 2010. We presented this reported translated from German:
“What really happened on 10 April in Smolensk?” or “Why Lech Kaczynski and many other leading public figures of Poland have to die?” more and more Poles ask in connection with an upsurge of inconsistencies and remaining unclarified circumstances of the Polish Tupolev crash in the Russian military airfield just 23 km from the Katyn.
In fact, now it looks like that not only the Russians, but also the Polish authorities are concealing something, laying false trails, hiding important analytical data or specially doing investigations in a slipshod manner.
However there are a number of initial points. Just in the last 48 hours appeared new facts, each of which worth a headline on the front page of newspapers.
A reaction is curious to the message in a few media, including Polskaweb, which, due to understandable reasons, do not want to be limited only by reports of mainstream press and politicians about this case.
On Thursday, after analyzing the video and hundreds of photos, we reported that in a plane crash with nearly a hundred deaths usually appearing suitcases, shoes, blouses, coats, and dead bodies first of all were completely absent.
Photos of “unknown origin”, where the above-mentioned presented, suddenly appeared on a big Russian Internet search portal Yandex on the night of Friday. In this case, however, parts of human bodies were masked in black, so it was impossible to determine whether the pictures have been taken during any other plane crash.
(The reaction to the revelations of Kavkaz Center from the Russian murderers of Kaczynski for the present was characterized as:
1. unprecedented in the last super-bitter curses at us,
2. spread of rumors in Poland that the presidential plane was shot down by the Caucasian Mujahideen - KC).
These were not official images. However, they could have been deliberately posted on Yandex, to test the public’s trust. Click for more photos.
Polskaweb has also reported that on the day of crash the agents of the Polish secret service ABW got into the homes of crash victims, in order to allegedly collect DNA material on the comb or hair brushes that would supposedly help for identification.
At that time the secret police has not yet known who is need to be identified at all, and who is not, as the Russians took all the bodies and their ruminants, including the corpse of Lech Kaczynski.
On Friday, the Warsaw newspaper Rzeczpospolita reported that 3 hours after the Tupolev’s crash the secret police, breaking locks, burst into the flats of important state secrets carriers, searched the drawers of desks and laptops of former Defense Minister Aleksander Szczyglo and possibly dragged away the documents of former secret police chief, Zbigniew Wassermann, and the Director IPN Janusz Kurtyka.
Russian investigators are continuing not to give to their Polish counterparts the evidential material, such as results of reviews of voice tape recording. They supposedly to give them in early next week.
The unnecessary and unjustifiable delay may be due to the fact that Moscow, is too, realized that the third black box, which had already been handed over to Polish investigators and which allegedly contained only data such as altitude and airspeed, had also recorded conversations in the cockpit and in cabin for passengers.
Polish specialists had installed that black box after when the presidential plane was returned from Russia after the overhaul at end of December. Now, as reported, the Ministers of Justice and Internal Affairs personally and jointly made a demarche to Moscow concerning delivery of demonstrative materials.
To the specified exact time of the disaster has no longer corresponds to a different message, received on Friday, which stated that the pilot of the Polish military plane with the journalists on board reportedly warned his colleagues on the presidential plane about the bad weather, especially about the fog on the landing site. Why he told about that only now, is unknown.
Certainly, the Polish investigators have not ruled out the fog at the airport was created artificially, that the positions of the landing lights were deliberately biased or that the generation of strong electromagnetic fields from a third party could affect the work of the technical equipment of Tu-154M.
Regarding the footage of gunshots at the crash site, as well as photos of soldiers with the possible manipulation of evidence (the landing lights), the Russian prosecutor’s office has not yet spoken about this issue. It did not comment, despite Poland’s reminder to do so.
There are other facts present. We would tell about them later”, Polska Web News reports.
Department of Monitoring
Kavkaz Center
Note “Polish “cz” is ALWAYS read like an English “ch”, e.g. in the word “charlie”, so the President of Poland's name is “kachynski”, or especially to the reporter's ability of the second language acquisition - “catch-in-skee” (LOL)
If somebody comes to any other country, learn at least how to pronounce the most important words, not to mention the basic facts about the country.
When I hear that ridiculous reporter, it reminds me of an elephant trying to characterize an eagle.
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