Posted on 03/03/2010 2:11:25 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
The Hawaii Department of Health claims to have an original copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate, right?
In fact, it is this established "fact" that has persuaded so many people there is nothing to the question of eligibility.
After all, an official in Hawaii has made a public pronouncement that she has inspected the document and declared on her own authority that Obama is a "natural born American" and thus eligible to serve as president.
For many Americans, that settles the question.
However, now a new version of the story is emerging.
The United Kingdom's Sky News reported Saturday: "Authorities in Hawaii have provided an electronic record of Obama's birth because the paper copy was destroyed in a fire which wiped out much of the state's archives."
Which is it?
Does Hawaii actually have an original long-form, paper birth certificate for Obama, or was it destroyed in a fire?
It seems the story is ever-changing.
And that's why it's time for Obama to come clean.
There is little question the heavily Democratic state of Hawaii has no interest in providing any information that would disqualify the first president claiming to be from that state.
If indeed the state has a copy of the original birth certificate, as Director of Health Dr. Chiyome Fukino claims, it should be no problem for Obama to give her permission to release it publicly – and, once and for all, settle the controversy that has resulted in that state being inundated with inquiries from curious American citizens.
Fukino has released two public statements on this matter.(continued)
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
I remember the I-Team from when I still had TV.
Prove to me that you are an American Citizen. Prove to me that you are a Freeper, and not an Obama plant sent to embarrass conservatism by promoting Birtherism. Prove to me that the real DJ MacWow isn't in some top secret concentration camp, and you aren't an Obama operative generating posts under his name.
What's that? Sorry. I reject all of your evidence as unpersuasive. In fact, on closer examination, all of your evidence is fake, and proof that you are an OBOT troll. Shame on you!
/Birther mode
Boy, I enjoyed that. It sure is fun to just make a bunch of paranoid allegations, then claim that they haven't been disproven to your satisfaction. Of course DJ MacWow's account hasn't been banned as belonging to an Obama plant. So what did I accomplish with my childish little tirade?
Nothing. Which is what Birtherism has, and will, accomplish.
If I really thought any of those things were true, I would need to give JimRob some pretty gosh darn good proof before he suspended DJ MacWow's account. I can't just grandly proclaim that he, DJ MacWow is different, and that he has to prove himself to me, in a way that no other Freeper has to.
And Birthers can't just proclaim that Obama has to prove his existence to them. Well actually they do. All the time. But that doesn't make it so.
One call always say that you aren't persuaded. On can always "maybe." Maybe Obama is an alien. Maybe Hawaii isn't a really a state, I mean were any of us there when Congress voted to admit it? Maybe the paranoid ravings of the Left 2002-2004 were right, and the computers really do generate fake vote totals, only they picked the other party to win this time. Maybe the real Obama was born in Hawaii, but the guy we see on TV is an impostor. Maybe Maybe Maybe. Meanwhile he have an election coming up in 8 months.
And so, the original, vault copies are on file and if a person requests their “Birth Certificte” since 2001, they are sent the computer generated Certification of Live Birth.
There have been several posts in this thread that have stated that a person could “send $20 to the state Health Department and get their long form birth certificate.” That is inaccurate but I was never implying that YOU said that.
A fire in Dr. Fukino's ashtray.
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Could you get anymore ridiculous? I doubt it.
It is up to a candidate to prove that he meets eligibility. It isn't up to citizens to prove that he isn't.
The long form can most certainly be generated for a court case, such as a divorce/custody hearing. It just happens to no longer be standard practice.
Interesting. Have you heard of anyone “generating” their long form from the state Health Department lately?
After the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health has gone on record stating that Obama is a “natural born American citizen” would you trust that what is on file for him is legit?
Have you heard of them denying a request? As I said, they cannot tell a court "no". It simply isn't standard practice. At least in Hawaii.
After the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health has gone on record stating that Obama is a “natural born American citizen” would you trust that what is on file for him is legit?
The DOH isn't a court to determine NBC. They've also sated that there are "records". What's there may or may not answer the "Barry Soetoro" question.
That should state “It simply isn’t standard practice to generate a long form anymore.”
The announcement was taken from hospital records and was published within a few days of his birth. Bottom line, it doesn't matter where Barry was born, his father was a foreign national attending college in Hawaii on a student visa. His father never became a U.S. citizen, nor any inclination of doing so. That disqualifies Obama ... both parents must be U.S. citizens.
Gee, should I be looking for black helicopters? I thought only moonbats did that since they are sure Blackwater is coming to put them all in FEMA camps and that Bush and Cheney planned 9/11.
I don’t believe in UFO’s, ghosts, the Loch Ness Monster or the abominable snowman. I’m probably one of the most skeptical people you would ever meet. I question everything and I sure as hell don’t buy into BS stories, rumors etc. I’ve read and researched Curious George and his past for almost 2 years now. I would stake my life on the fact that he has skeletons in his closet that should not allow him to be president and that he is hiding and covering up many things, the BC being only one of many.
I don’t know where he was born, and neither do you. You don’t know anything about him except what has been spoon fed to you from his own book creating a false past for himself and what the Marxist propaganda machine has cranked out. 90% of it is crap, full of holes, nothing adds up, been proven bogus. When it all adds up, then and only then will I believe he was born in Hawaii.
Oh and by the way, you are making a huge mistake by putting thinking those newspaper announcements are relevant. HUGE!
ONE paper from that date, that shows they were not in there will prove the biggest conspiracy ever perpetuated. Just one. 2-3, even better. TICK TOCK TICK TOCK........ 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1-——GONE.
Oh and don’t call me a birther again. That is a term used by liberals and it’s derogatory as in “truthers”. I want the person that holds the future of MY country in his hands, to STOP toying with a large percentage of people(and it is large) that think he may not be eligible, and to PROVE IT. That’s all he has to do. Release all records. That ends it. Why won’t he do that? Easy answer, he can’t or won’t and either is as despicable as the other
Prove to who? When? Where? How can we tell if he succeeded? I know, we could have the citizens of every state vote! All on the same day. We could call it an election!
And ya know, that's just what happened. And our side lost. We have another one of those, what was it? Oh yeah, "elections" coming up in 8 months. Freepers can either get to work to make sure our side wins the "election," or they can engage in Birtherism Bravo Sierra.
And ya know, if I turn out to be horribly wrong, and you Birthers ever do stumble across a significant quantity of evidence that Obama is from Rigel 7, just what forum can you go to present that evidence? Its called the United States Congress. So maybe Freepers ought to work on the election of Republicans to Congress, just in case, rather than endlessly recycling the same trope, and waiting for Batman, or John Wayne, or Orly to magically remove Obama from office.
Will Espero has a bill now that would allow a person to see anybody’s birth certificate (the portions the DOH thinks it’s OK to show, that is) if they give 2 government photo ID’s, pay $50, and have a camera watching them while they inspect. No photos, no copies....
And exactly what good is that supposed to do? Suppose I go look at a BC, and suppose that they actually end up leaving any information except the name unredacted (how are they going to redact info from the original birth certificate?), and suppose I see something of interest. I come out and say, “I saw this. I really saw this. And if you pay $50 you can see it too....”
What kind of a crazy way to do business is that? They’re making a freak show out of this.
But I believe it’s probably preparing the way so they can put out a fake “original” BC. At this point, whatever they put out there has some very specific requirements it has to meet in order to explain the interactions that have already happened with the DOH.
And the DOH is claiming that the transaction log on Obama’s record (embedded information on the computer file - the only way to audit what has actually happened with the record) is protected from disclosure by state law. I’ve asked them to cite the law that protects it from disclosure. I’m not holding my breath.
They know it’s not protected. If transaction logs were protected from public disclosure then how could the media report on Obama’s passport record being illegally accessed? Or Joe the Plumber’s record being illegally accessed?
Boy, I bet a lot of dead Democrats feel stupid that they were all too stupid to "figger out" that "fact" when Republican Chester Arthur, born to an American Mother, and a father who was a British Subject (Irish), was President.
The parties are to vet candidates. And I know that you trust Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean completely, right? Anyway, the forms that were sent out and attest to the candidates Constitutional eligibility have been posted more than once. Nancy Pelosi signed it and she wouldn't lie.....
I know, we could have the citizens of every state vote! All on the same day. We could call it an election!
You are incredibly foolish.
Chester Arthur was born in 1829. There was no dual citizenship at that time in America. His father had not yet become a citizen. So Arthur was a British subject.
Yes, if Birtherism is correct, Arthur was not a "natural born citizen." But he was elected to the Vice-Presidentcy, and served for years as President. So, either:
A. Arthur was ineligible to be elected to either the Vice-Presidentcy, or serve as President, and everybody back in the 19th century was just too stupid to understand that; or,
B. Birtherism is wrong.
Which is more likely?
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