Posted on 12/04/2009 9:55:41 PM PST by Gordon Greene
Arguing with Idiots… Part Deaux (A full-frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin) (Link to PDF).
(I know I’ve done rants like this before, but you guys are worth it!)
Dear worshippers of Darwin and lovers of self,
My personal (condensed) declaration of faith:
I believe in the God of the Bible. I believe in the Bible. I believe what it says. I believe, unashamedly that God is the Creator of the Universe and that He created it just as described in the Genesis account. I believe the only way to receive salvation is to believe and receive Jesus Christ as your savior. I believe that if you do not accept Jesus as your savior then you will spend eternity in the lake of fire, created for Satan and his followers… separated forever from God.
My personal (condensed) declaration of allegiance to American values:
I believe that the founding Fathers had faith in and worshipped the God of the Bible. I believe the Founders trusted God and the laws of God to be a guide and to provide the framework for what would become the United States of America. I believe that the Founders incorporated those values into our founding documents including the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I believe that very same Godly, Biblical foundation is what has sustained us as a nation for over 200 years. I believe the same is why this nation has been blessed beyond any other nation in history. I believe forsaking those principles is what is plunging this country headlong into socialism. I believe if we, as a people do not turn back to God and to His truth, this great nation has seen its best days.
Now, my message to the evolutionists and atheists on freerepublic…
You continually disgrace and shame yourselves and this site by purposely attempting to offend those who believe in God and Creation and frankly, I'm amazed it has gone on this long. The honest debate over differences of opinion are welcome on this site (correct me if I’m wrong) but even more-so the promotion of the God-centered foundation of our country and government. Yet you make it a playground for your near-pornographic display of anti-Christian rhetoric. Do I and others respond in an other-than kind way from time to time? Absolutely! That's what people do when you offer a constant barrage of insults and deliver responses dripping with hollow, moral superiority. Like many, I tried at first to reason with you. I found that there is no reasoning with the true-believers in the Temple of Darwin (with rare exception, I must note). So I barb… it’s my way of dealing with it.
From time to time one of you may pretend to seek an honest argument or answer only to turn it into a battle of context, performing hopeless and pointless contortions of the English language. Your mental gymnastics are generally childlike and wholly unnecessary. All you would have to do is to say you don’t have the mental capacity to understand the argument and that would be that… but that is not your goal.
You have this sick wish to see those who literally interpret the Bible and faithful Christians into converts of the radical wing of the Temple of Darwin or, at the very least to make an example of their comments (unsuccessfully, as a general rule). Then you can take their replies to your Darwin’s Temple websites and display them in the midst of those ungodly freak shows.
Earlier, I was questioned as to whether it was fair of me to say that you lead children into hell. My question is, “Is it fair of you to do so?” In my estimation, that’s exactly what you’re doing when you shove your unfounded faith in dry bones down the throats of schoolchildren. You claim we have nothing on which to base our faith in God and Creation, yet I suggest to you there is no evidence of evolution in the way that you teach and believe it… no proof of inter-species evolution taking place and no evidence that life was formed in a way that disputes the Biblical account. There is much more circumstantial evidence in the Creation account in Genesis than what you place your faith in, yet that is not my primary argument this evening.
Here’s the beef: most of you troll posts with a religious bent for the express purpose of inserting chaos into the equation. In that, you are no better than the community organizers at ACORN. You attempt to confuse, divide, destroy and deride those who believe your religion to be false. Yet, your religion is more than false; it rises to the level of cult. Its followers are brainwashed by manufactured statistics as if Al Gore himself were beating on the pulpit, loudly testifying to the dangers of non-belief. And you not only believe the lies, you are some of its chief priests!
Like the climate mongers and the climatologists at CRU, your actions do have consequences. However, the disastrous effects of your insidious message are far more devastating than the physical and monetary cost of the climate hoax. Your target is the soul of man. Since the dawning of the Age of Darwinism, millions of men, women and children have fallen victim, maybe even you. And for those who claim to be Christian and evolutionists, I offer this from one of my recent responses…
“If you draw evolution out to its ultimate end it either:
A. Denies the existence of God.
B. Denies His relevance.
C. Boils the Word of God down to a collection of allegory.
Unlike a lot of folks that share my beliefs in God and Creation, I don’t believe that faith in evolution automatically excludes you from Christianity. People are in different stages of their walk and some find the truth more slowly than others but that doesn’t mean they aren’t saved. But if you follow the (il)logic of evolution very far, it discounts faith in the God of the Bible.”
That is to say most would have to conclude from studying Evolution that God does not exist. Being a priest and a disseminator of the gospel of Evolution is no different than being in a sinking ship and destroying the only life preserver because you believe if you can’t have it, no one else should.
If you were honest with yourselves you would admit there is no honest scientific evidence proving evolution. Most of you have heard the truth of the Bible and chosen to reject it. I personally believe (again… my personal belief) that you and those who promote the baseless theory of evolution will be judged by God for leading others to discount God as well.
Matthew 18:6 (New International Version)
6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Romans 1:22 (New International Version)
22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
Exodus 20:11 (New International Version)
11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
John 1:3 (New International Version)
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International Version)
7If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
Happy ending, my....um foot.... Yeah, that’s it.
They only stopped because they got caught. They didn’t have the integrity to not do it in the first place. Why should we entrust them and trust them with the pursuit of knowledge?
What with all the fraud that is attempted in science, particularly in the area of evolution and the desperate attempts to find (or create) the missing link, leaving science to those who know what they’re doing is a pretty poor appeal.
I suppose they do know what they’re doing, so to speak, but I doubt that’s exactly what you had in mind.
Newton was a creationist. He concluded that the universe was orderly and could be studied to learn more about God because God was a God of order.
Likely you’d go off telling him to stick to theology as well.
Yeah, someone went to the expense and trouble to set up a remote server just to tug your nosehairs. I've saved you the trouble and copied the moderator on this. If they think your lunacy has merit they can easily verify it. I have nothing to hide.
If you want to enjoy a kinder, gentler discussion you should post these threads in the Religion Forum. Otherwise, if you decide to play internet hockey in the News / Activism forum anticipate that your feelings just might get bruised.
What is NL's record on straight forward answers to questions? Not very good, I will wager. But, I leave that definitive answer to you. I am on the cusp of suggesting you not feed the Troll with respect to NL, as I have with some others.
GG is correct, I fear.
You probably confused her with the expression. Some people think that that is an off menu item at a massage parlor....LOL.
As per:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members
There are currently one billion non-Catholic Christians alive today. Add in all the non-Catholic Christians who have died, and you would have a figure of multiple billions. For the sake of argument, let's call it 5 billion. That would mean that for your 99% figure to be correct there would have to have been about 500 billion Catholics. This is rather problematic, given that there have only been (roughly) 100 billion people in all of human history (this figure assumes a starting point 50,000 years ago).
“If scientists disagree, then that means the theory should not be accepted. “
You’ve never done any research, have you?
“Spare me your condescending arrogance. “
No, you get back what you shell out. If you want to be an arrogant pr!ck, I can be one too.
“There are plenty of intellectual giants who believe God created the earth,”
There are no intellectual giants that argue with the science and research that is plain to see. There are some who decline to explain their faith with science, like the faithless “creation scientists” do - but let’s not mistake them for intellectual giants - they are not. Send me your list of “creation science” intellectual giants - it is vanishingly small.
“To believe that Human Evolution actually happened is a statement of faith. “
No it is not. You and the intellectual midgets of the “creation science” side keep repeating this - along with “temple of Darwin” and other nonsense. To believe in evolution is to believe that the conclusions of published data seem reasonable after much debate within the scientific community. Again - stop being an arrogant pr!ck.
“To say it may have happened, but we just don’t know is something entirely different. “
That is a false choice. What science says is that there is a theory backed by research and data. The conclusions aren’t stated as unassailable fact - but it’s pretty damn good stuff but never as unassailable fact - as you and the “creation science” crowd say - but you and your “intellectual giant” “creation science” friends bring nothing to the table. You’ve got no game, and never had any - just whining and complaining that you aren’t taken seriously by real scientists.
“I say it is a scam because it is stated as though it is certain and it most certainly is not.”
No it isn’t stated as fact. It’s pretty damn good info, but never fact - as research is always ongoing. It’s so good that it’s almost never disproved, not in the major tenets.
“So there is faith on both sides of this argument”
There is faith on no side of the argument - you don’t even have enough faith in your Creator to simply believe what is in the Bible without trying to prove it scientifically. Scientists that study various aspects that may or may not be related to evolution do so out of pursuit of knowledge. Their faith is separate.
“Evolutionists generally hate to admit just how much faith they must have to believe some of their tall tales.”
Your side cannot discern scientific findings from faith - because you aren’t smart enough to understand the science. It’s like magic to you. If you would have worked a little harder in school maybe you’d actually understand what science tells us......but pretending to be “holier than thou” towards science is not achievement. It’s just pathetic. The whole “creation science” movement is pathetic......It isn’t faith....it isn’t science....it is vacuous drivel.
You caught me making the same (tongue-in-cheek) rhetorical argument made by the YEC's, but instead of agreeing that anyone who doesn't agree with them isn't Christian I posed that anyone who isn't Catholic isn't really Christian. Its just the same shoe on the other foot. I notice that that isn't a very comfortable fit for non-Catholics either and solicited an equal and opposite reaction from you and a few others.
“They only stopped because they got caught. They didn’t have the integrity to not do it in the first place. Why should we entrust them and trust them with the pursuit of knowledge?”
The got caught because their research was found to be faulty, and fraudulent.
You think that because there are charlatans in science that all science must be damned?
Just because “creation science” is stupid and the people that believe in it are complete idiots doesn’t mean that all of Christianity is to be damned.
I’ve heard of “Type A” personalities, but man, you really take it to the extreme......
I stepped away for a bit and seem to have missed some interesting conversation. GG is either inebriated or a paranoid jerk.
Probably both.
Keep in mind that I was one of the atheistic "evos" to which you sent post #2, where you mentioned your need to either encourage or offend. It seemed rather unlikely that you were trying to encourage me, so I (understandably, I think) assumed the latter.
Given your explanation, I certainly retract my charge of hypocrisy.
These sorts of threads always seem to degenerate into a name-calling contest (Pawn of Satan! Superstitious dolt!). I always try (and usually succeed) to keep things civil, and encourage others to do the same.
Just because “creation science” is stupid and the people that believe in it are complete idiots doesn’t mean that all of Christianity is to be damned.
You'd never know it considering the majority of the evolutionist's comments on this forum.
Likewise.
What you said applies to you as well, and we're not the ones copying the mods.
And you're whining to the mods about what exactly?
Your bruised feelings?
“In my book, you’re right up there with the likes of Natural Law/Buck W.”
You’ve accused NL and me of being the same person. Why stop there? Perhaps we’re also CW! We/I have 3 separate IP addresses in the same house!
GG, you’re really an embarrassment to Christians. You’re a fraudulent coward and a glass-jawed bully.
On the plus side, GG, you’re only two-thirds the idiot that GGG is.
As an atheist, I don't have a dog in the "who's a real Christian" hunt. I simply thought you were making a math error.
Cost nothing for a remote connection... I thought all trekkies knew that.
This was not posted in either area you suggested. It was in bloggers and personal. It would have been kicked by the mod (and rightly so) if I had posted it in the News/Activism area.
“I stepped away for a bit and seem to have missed some interesting conversation. GG is either inebriated or a paranoid jerk.
Probably both.”
I don’t drink but I am a paranoid jerk... that doesn’t make me wrong. It just makes me more sensitive to arrogant jerks. I have an uncanny ability to spot B-arbara S-treisand at 1200 meters.
Speaking of GGG, where is the old fart? Unless someone spilled his drool cup on his keyboard again causing him to be off line there is a very real possibility that GGG and GG are one in the same. If that is the case the average IQ of mankind just went up three points.....LOL
Yeah... it’s hard not to get lost in the fray. It wouldn’t be the first time I’ve inadvertantly offended someone I did not mean to. If you sling enough words from time to time you forget who the good guys are. I try to look at a persons posting history before I deem a particular post offensive. There are some serial dolts around here and some folks that are just passionate about what they believe.
The original ping was copied and pasted from several replies from a couple of GGG’s posts. I’d honestly love to have anyone respond that tries to keep things on the up and up and would encourage you to upbraid me should I stray. One caveat... please check the comment that I am responding to before reprimanding too harshly.
Thanks.
GG
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