Posted on 12/04/2009 9:55:41 PM PST by Gordon Greene
Arguing with Idiots… Part Deaux (A full-frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin) (Link to PDF).
(I know I’ve done rants like this before, but you guys are worth it!)
Dear worshippers of Darwin and lovers of self,
My personal (condensed) declaration of faith:
I believe in the God of the Bible. I believe in the Bible. I believe what it says. I believe, unashamedly that God is the Creator of the Universe and that He created it just as described in the Genesis account. I believe the only way to receive salvation is to believe and receive Jesus Christ as your savior. I believe that if you do not accept Jesus as your savior then you will spend eternity in the lake of fire, created for Satan and his followers… separated forever from God.
My personal (condensed) declaration of allegiance to American values:
I believe that the founding Fathers had faith in and worshipped the God of the Bible. I believe the Founders trusted God and the laws of God to be a guide and to provide the framework for what would become the United States of America. I believe that the Founders incorporated those values into our founding documents including the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I believe that very same Godly, Biblical foundation is what has sustained us as a nation for over 200 years. I believe the same is why this nation has been blessed beyond any other nation in history. I believe forsaking those principles is what is plunging this country headlong into socialism. I believe if we, as a people do not turn back to God and to His truth, this great nation has seen its best days.
Now, my message to the evolutionists and atheists on freerepublic…
You continually disgrace and shame yourselves and this site by purposely attempting to offend those who believe in God and Creation and frankly, I'm amazed it has gone on this long. The honest debate over differences of opinion are welcome on this site (correct me if I’m wrong) but even more-so the promotion of the God-centered foundation of our country and government. Yet you make it a playground for your near-pornographic display of anti-Christian rhetoric. Do I and others respond in an other-than kind way from time to time? Absolutely! That's what people do when you offer a constant barrage of insults and deliver responses dripping with hollow, moral superiority. Like many, I tried at first to reason with you. I found that there is no reasoning with the true-believers in the Temple of Darwin (with rare exception, I must note). So I barb… it’s my way of dealing with it.
From time to time one of you may pretend to seek an honest argument or answer only to turn it into a battle of context, performing hopeless and pointless contortions of the English language. Your mental gymnastics are generally childlike and wholly unnecessary. All you would have to do is to say you don’t have the mental capacity to understand the argument and that would be that… but that is not your goal.
You have this sick wish to see those who literally interpret the Bible and faithful Christians into converts of the radical wing of the Temple of Darwin or, at the very least to make an example of their comments (unsuccessfully, as a general rule). Then you can take their replies to your Darwin’s Temple websites and display them in the midst of those ungodly freak shows.
Earlier, I was questioned as to whether it was fair of me to say that you lead children into hell. My question is, “Is it fair of you to do so?” In my estimation, that’s exactly what you’re doing when you shove your unfounded faith in dry bones down the throats of schoolchildren. You claim we have nothing on which to base our faith in God and Creation, yet I suggest to you there is no evidence of evolution in the way that you teach and believe it… no proof of inter-species evolution taking place and no evidence that life was formed in a way that disputes the Biblical account. There is much more circumstantial evidence in the Creation account in Genesis than what you place your faith in, yet that is not my primary argument this evening.
Here’s the beef: most of you troll posts with a religious bent for the express purpose of inserting chaos into the equation. In that, you are no better than the community organizers at ACORN. You attempt to confuse, divide, destroy and deride those who believe your religion to be false. Yet, your religion is more than false; it rises to the level of cult. Its followers are brainwashed by manufactured statistics as if Al Gore himself were beating on the pulpit, loudly testifying to the dangers of non-belief. And you not only believe the lies, you are some of its chief priests!
Like the climate mongers and the climatologists at CRU, your actions do have consequences. However, the disastrous effects of your insidious message are far more devastating than the physical and monetary cost of the climate hoax. Your target is the soul of man. Since the dawning of the Age of Darwinism, millions of men, women and children have fallen victim, maybe even you. And for those who claim to be Christian and evolutionists, I offer this from one of my recent responses…
“If you draw evolution out to its ultimate end it either:
A. Denies the existence of God.
B. Denies His relevance.
C. Boils the Word of God down to a collection of allegory.
Unlike a lot of folks that share my beliefs in God and Creation, I don’t believe that faith in evolution automatically excludes you from Christianity. People are in different stages of their walk and some find the truth more slowly than others but that doesn’t mean they aren’t saved. But if you follow the (il)logic of evolution very far, it discounts faith in the God of the Bible.”
That is to say most would have to conclude from studying Evolution that God does not exist. Being a priest and a disseminator of the gospel of Evolution is no different than being in a sinking ship and destroying the only life preserver because you believe if you can’t have it, no one else should.
If you were honest with yourselves you would admit there is no honest scientific evidence proving evolution. Most of you have heard the truth of the Bible and chosen to reject it. I personally believe (again… my personal belief) that you and those who promote the baseless theory of evolution will be judged by God for leading others to discount God as well.
Matthew 18:6 (New International Version)
6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Romans 1:22 (New International Version)
22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
Exodus 20:11 (New International Version)
11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
John 1:3 (New International Version)
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International Version)
7If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
“That is complete obfuscation. Are you are completely incapable of answering simple questions?”
Done with the both of you... by the way, are you and Buck still the same guy? You double-teamer, you.
“Nah... you should be conflicted for a whole host of other reasons. Now, how ‘bout giving us some of those “silly” terms you use for creationists? They’re so cute and endearing!”
I don’t insult creationists. That is an entirely consistent Christian view.
However, when you use “temple of darwin” or “Evo” that means you are actually advocating “creation science” and I mock you without mercy.
If you believe in “creation science”, you’ll believe in anything.
More of your public school education showing.... LOL
“You can’t say that the Nazi’s were Christians because of the name they bore. You just dissociated yourself from Catholics who support abortion as not being real Catholics. Likewise for those who called themselves Christians who participated in the Holocaust.’”
MM: Are there any Christians in hell?
“Please provide a link to the body of literature on the topic. Until that’s been provided, you’re a coward and a fraud.”
Something came back to me on the last natural law post... a remembrance from posts gone by of a certain couple of posters double-teaming a certain lady on this site...
I’d say the “we’re done” implies you are capable of speaking for Natural Law. That means you and he are either the same person as I said months ago or you’re lovers. Either way, you are the one(s) who are a fraud. Of course there’s always the possibility you are bi-polar and off your medication.
Until you answer this charge you’re a coward and a fraud!!! OK, I’m done with BuckWNaturalLaw. Who’s next?
“Ah so the Cretin method of respectful debate is to call people who believe in the theory of evolution idiots. Got it.”
If you play fair you’re not the intended target... believe me, those who are the intended target know who they are.
On the Biblical date of the Exodus: from http://ldolphin.org/Jericho.shtml
One major difficulty has been the lack of archaeological evidence from Egypt one way or another The pharaohs left long descriptions of themselves adorning temples and tombs but these were invariably self-serving and do not usually mention famines, disasters, or military defeats. The stele of Merneptah dated at 1220 BC does mention that the Hebrews were a people dwelling in the lands to the East at that time. The great funerary monuments of Egypt on the West bank of the Nile made of limestone date back to nearly 3000 BC but Egyptian cities and palaces made of mud brick were located in the flood plains and disappeared long ago.
The 1982 edition of The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia gives and excellent summary of the various pieces of evidence used in dating the time of the Exodus. In defense of the early date, the editors call attention to details now known about the lives of Thutmose I, Hatshepsut, Thutmose III, and Amenhotep II. Their fascinating scenario fits the date of 1450 BC as the year of the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt, coinciding with the death of Thutmose III presumably by drowning. E.W. Faulstich uses careful computer analysis of ancient calendars to arrive at Abib 15, 1461 B C as the exact date of the Exodus (See his History, Harmony and the Hebrew Kings, available from Chronology Books Box 3043, Spencer, Iowa 51301 ).
Jericho
Writing in the March/April 1990 issue of Biblical Archaeological Review Prof. Bryant G. Wood of the University of Toronto* has now dramatically reopened a door many thought was permanently shut. Wood has carefully gone over the available archaeological evidence about the world’s oldest city Jericho which lies 670 feet below sea level 5 miles north of the Dead Sea and 5 miles west of the River Jordan The Book of Joshua describes the entrance of the people of Israel into the land after the death of Moses and the destruction of Jericho as the first Canaanite stronghold overcome by the people of Yahweh.
Tell es-Sultan-—ancient Jericho-—lies next to the copious spring of Elisha (2 Kings 2:19-22). It is not an impressive tell but less than 1000 feet long by 500 feet wide The main highway to Galilee rudely cuts right across the eastern edge. British explorer Sir Charles Warren dug six vertical shafts into the tell in 1867-8 without reaching any important conclusions. An Austro-German team, Sellin and Watzinger excavated in 1907, 1908 and 1911 leaving careful drawings and plans of the site. John Garstang from England worked from 1930-36 at the site concluding that Jericho had come to an end by 1400 BC. But Garstang’s methods were crude by modern standards and British archaeologist Kathleen Kenyon undertook her definitive study between 1952 and 1958. She concluded that Jericho had in fact been destroyed at the end of the Middle Bronze Age about 1550 BC. The archaeological evidence showed (it was soon claimed) that there was no city for Joshua to conquer and indeed the biblical account could not be true-—it was only folklore and religious rhetoric. But Kenyon died in 1978 without publishing her results.
Professor Wood has now carefully examined Kenyon’s files as well as the work of her predecessors. He first noted that Garstang had recorded lots of Late Bronze pottery that Kenyon said did not exist at Jericho. It seems Kenyon had acquired lots of evidence but it had never been thoroughly analyzed. Wood carbon dated a piece of charcoal and found it came from 1410 plus or minus 40 years BC. He noted that Kenyon’s stratigraphy had artificially squeezed 20 separate phases into a mere 100 years. He observed that Garstang had found a continuous sequence of Egyptian scarabs at the site showing active use until about 1400 BC. Comparing the entire suite of archaeological evidence with the biblical record Wood has found that:
“Despite the fact that the area where the wall once stood is gone there is evidence incredible as it may seem that this wall came tumbling down and in the words of the Biblical account in Joshua ‘fell down flat.’ The pottery stratigraphic considerations, scarab data, and a Carbon-14 date all point to a destruction of the city around Late Bronze I, about 1400 B C “
Doubt you will - but lots more great Archaological confirmation of the Biblical record can be studied here.
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/
Never met him/her, but I wouldn't mind spending an afternoon or evening splitting a bottle ot two comparing notes on alum from the Bedrock Institute of Science and Theology that frequent these posts.
What incredible powers of deductive reasoning! Like all the creation rationalizers, you draw an entirely baseless conclusion merely to cover your tracks. You get to erect a strawman of indignation and leave my questions unanswered.
Yep—we’re through with the fraudulent coward GordonGreene.
GordonGreene is no Christian.
If you’re accusing me of anti-Catholic bigotry, you have just put your ignorance on full display for all to see.
You know nothing about me and how I was raised.
I haven't given Buck power of attorney, but I haven't objected to his/her comment. I do have to comment on your ignorance with respect to the Hallelujah Posse headed by GGG and comprised of a dozen or so "mental giants" (pardon the sarcasm) who go to great lengths to double, triple, quadruple and polydruple anyone who even suggests that Darwin and evolution are not Satan incarnate.
Please see #138 and respond.
I don't need to. Your body of work speaks for itself.
Now we can get into it with the atheistic regimes of the 20th century if you want to talk about less freedom and more death.
Show us anything positive that any God free form of government brought to the table and I'll raise it with a Constitution of the United States and Declaration of Independence that Christianity brought.
Don't forget either what great friends of science any atheistic regime is. Compared to say, Protestant Christian Europe and the United States for the last 500 years.
Tell me were the most freedom of thought, research, and technological progress has been made.
Sorry, the US is not a theocracy, so your argument is a strawman. Please stay on topic.
“Don’t forget either what great friends of science any atheistic regime is.”
Wow—what a loaded sentence! Does science cause athiesm, or does athiesm breed scientific thought?
Or do they just coexist?
And can either exist among Christians?
Tut tut. You all started it with the snarky comments about “evos”. Only fair the entirely fitting Cretin be bequeathed to the Creationists.
No, a Christian by definition, has been forgiven of his sins and has passed from death to life.
However, there are going to be a lot of people who call themselves Christians in hell.
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