Posted on 12/04/2009 9:55:41 PM PST by Gordon Greene
Arguing with Idiots… Part Deaux (A full-frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin) (Link to PDF).
(I know I’ve done rants like this before, but you guys are worth it!)
Dear worshippers of Darwin and lovers of self,
My personal (condensed) declaration of faith:
I believe in the God of the Bible. I believe in the Bible. I believe what it says. I believe, unashamedly that God is the Creator of the Universe and that He created it just as described in the Genesis account. I believe the only way to receive salvation is to believe and receive Jesus Christ as your savior. I believe that if you do not accept Jesus as your savior then you will spend eternity in the lake of fire, created for Satan and his followers… separated forever from God.
My personal (condensed) declaration of allegiance to American values:
I believe that the founding Fathers had faith in and worshipped the God of the Bible. I believe the Founders trusted God and the laws of God to be a guide and to provide the framework for what would become the United States of America. I believe that the Founders incorporated those values into our founding documents including the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I believe that very same Godly, Biblical foundation is what has sustained us as a nation for over 200 years. I believe the same is why this nation has been blessed beyond any other nation in history. I believe forsaking those principles is what is plunging this country headlong into socialism. I believe if we, as a people do not turn back to God and to His truth, this great nation has seen its best days.
Now, my message to the evolutionists and atheists on freerepublic…
You continually disgrace and shame yourselves and this site by purposely attempting to offend those who believe in God and Creation and frankly, I'm amazed it has gone on this long. The honest debate over differences of opinion are welcome on this site (correct me if I’m wrong) but even more-so the promotion of the God-centered foundation of our country and government. Yet you make it a playground for your near-pornographic display of anti-Christian rhetoric. Do I and others respond in an other-than kind way from time to time? Absolutely! That's what people do when you offer a constant barrage of insults and deliver responses dripping with hollow, moral superiority. Like many, I tried at first to reason with you. I found that there is no reasoning with the true-believers in the Temple of Darwin (with rare exception, I must note). So I barb… it’s my way of dealing with it.
From time to time one of you may pretend to seek an honest argument or answer only to turn it into a battle of context, performing hopeless and pointless contortions of the English language. Your mental gymnastics are generally childlike and wholly unnecessary. All you would have to do is to say you don’t have the mental capacity to understand the argument and that would be that… but that is not your goal.
You have this sick wish to see those who literally interpret the Bible and faithful Christians into converts of the radical wing of the Temple of Darwin or, at the very least to make an example of their comments (unsuccessfully, as a general rule). Then you can take their replies to your Darwin’s Temple websites and display them in the midst of those ungodly freak shows.
Earlier, I was questioned as to whether it was fair of me to say that you lead children into hell. My question is, “Is it fair of you to do so?” In my estimation, that’s exactly what you’re doing when you shove your unfounded faith in dry bones down the throats of schoolchildren. You claim we have nothing on which to base our faith in God and Creation, yet I suggest to you there is no evidence of evolution in the way that you teach and believe it… no proof of inter-species evolution taking place and no evidence that life was formed in a way that disputes the Biblical account. There is much more circumstantial evidence in the Creation account in Genesis than what you place your faith in, yet that is not my primary argument this evening.
Here’s the beef: most of you troll posts with a religious bent for the express purpose of inserting chaos into the equation. In that, you are no better than the community organizers at ACORN. You attempt to confuse, divide, destroy and deride those who believe your religion to be false. Yet, your religion is more than false; it rises to the level of cult. Its followers are brainwashed by manufactured statistics as if Al Gore himself were beating on the pulpit, loudly testifying to the dangers of non-belief. And you not only believe the lies, you are some of its chief priests!
Like the climate mongers and the climatologists at CRU, your actions do have consequences. However, the disastrous effects of your insidious message are far more devastating than the physical and monetary cost of the climate hoax. Your target is the soul of man. Since the dawning of the Age of Darwinism, millions of men, women and children have fallen victim, maybe even you. And for those who claim to be Christian and evolutionists, I offer this from one of my recent responses…
“If you draw evolution out to its ultimate end it either:
A. Denies the existence of God.
B. Denies His relevance.
C. Boils the Word of God down to a collection of allegory.
Unlike a lot of folks that share my beliefs in God and Creation, I don’t believe that faith in evolution automatically excludes you from Christianity. People are in different stages of their walk and some find the truth more slowly than others but that doesn’t mean they aren’t saved. But if you follow the (il)logic of evolution very far, it discounts faith in the God of the Bible.”
That is to say most would have to conclude from studying Evolution that God does not exist. Being a priest and a disseminator of the gospel of Evolution is no different than being in a sinking ship and destroying the only life preserver because you believe if you can’t have it, no one else should.
If you were honest with yourselves you would admit there is no honest scientific evidence proving evolution. Most of you have heard the truth of the Bible and chosen to reject it. I personally believe (again… my personal belief) that you and those who promote the baseless theory of evolution will be judged by God for leading others to discount God as well.
Matthew 18:6 (New International Version)
6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Romans 1:22 (New International Version)
22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
Exodus 20:11 (New International Version)
11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
John 1:3 (New International Version)
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International Version)
7If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
“We will place a pod beneath your bed tonight...”
Could you make it a blue one? I like blue!
You should be thankful they do pursue science instead of taking God's word as written and not spending all of that mental anguish trying to decipher the secret code to heaven. (Hint; it is "Drink more Ovaltine).
If science and scientists took your advice you would be scratching out your posts with a sharp stick on a flat rock if your arthritic fingers could still grasp the stick and your clouded eyes could see to do it in the flickering light of an oil soaked wick.
“You then back away from responsibility for your statements if your generalization actually applied to anyone or group like the Catholic Church.”
Your statement is laced with confused context and ignorant misplaced suppositions, as usual. If you don’t see the err in your statement then you are exactly as deluded as I supposed... LOL (Not to correct you, but I believe that 3 dots is customary with a space before the LOL. I should know... I invented it. When I say invented it, I started with a . then, in retrospect saw that it cause the reader to pause if I added a . to make it .. After some serious thought, I decided ... with a space after them gave exactly the right effect for the reader. I guess you could say the idea evolved... LOL, Tee, Hee, Hee...
God Bless.
GG
“It’s a shame they couldn’t spend all that mental anguish investigating the Word of God and comparing it to what science has truly shown.”
Why bother investigating science or the Word of God, when you are here to explain both to the great unwashed and ignorant masses?
“GG: Do you think Catholics are Christians?”
Been there, done that... not going back. You people are stinking broken records.
And I have no doubt that it will be just as amusing as this post of your's is.
Broken records? Come on, you can’t drop self-promoting claims to being a saved “Christian”, and then turn tail when asked a direct, related question.
What are you hiding, GG?
“#1 You appropriate “Christianity” to mean your version of creationist, fundamentalist Christianity, presuming that one cannot believe in Christianity and evolution.”
Nope... I even explain that in the post. Your fatal error is your failure to follow the logic.
“#2 You go into the realm of “creation science” by claiming a “full frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin” - which really is a barely veiled assault on centuries, even millenia of reason, research, and philosophy.”
You mean like climate scientists?
“or in Afghanistan religious fundamentalism must never achieve political dominance, because it destroys both faith and reason.”
Thus your reason for the reply: to try and equate modern-day Christianity and fundamentalist Christians with killers. Ah, the toys of the temple of Darwin.
“I’m an “evo” (to use your silly term) and a Christian. Should I be conflicted?”
Nah... you should be conflicted for a whole host of other reasons. Now, how ‘bout giving us some of those “silly” terms you use for creationists? They’re so cute and endearing!
“Why bother investigating science or the Word of God, when you are here to explain both to the great unwashed and ignorant masses?”
That is both laughable and typical. Read the posts of your brethren then come back to me when you’ve pulled the big honkin’ log out of your own eyes.
“Broken records? Come on, you can’t drop self-promoting claims to being a saved “Christian”, and then turn tail when asked a direct, related question.
What are you hiding, GG?”
I have a stash of Catholic nuns in my basement. When I want to have some fun, I go down and smack them on the back of the hand with a ruler and proclaim, “And this one is for all the times you should have smacked Bucky!!!” Then I adjust my tutu and squeal like a little girl.
Like I said, Bucky... I’ve had this same argument and answered your stupid, leading questions. Take the time to go back through your posts, find my answer and repost it. It will save us both the grief.
“Nope... I even explain that in the post. Your fatal error is your failure to follow the logic.”
I understand “creation science” logic better than “creation science” adherents.
“You mean like climate scientists?”
They are frauds just like “Creation scientists”. They are your brothers. “creation science” seeks to cloak itself in the credibility of intellectual giants that advanced man’s body of knowledge over hundreds and thousands of years. They use lies - just like “creation science” and they call it “science” for their own aims.
“Thus your reason for the reply: to try and equate modern-day Christianity and fundamentalist Christians with killers. Ah, the toys of the temple of Darwin.”
Thus you validate my first point - you appropriate “Christianity” with “fundamentalist Christians”.
If you point is that I think that a theocracy, whether it be Christian or Muslim would result in less freedom and more death - the answer is yes. Our founding fathers thought so too.
Later. I’m off to beat the slaves for not polishing the jack boots properly, anything about the wife...I must draw the curtain of modesty.
That is complete obfuscation. Are you are completely incapable of answering simple questions? Do you believe that Catholics are Christians? Do you believe that the Catholic Church's doctrine of Theistic Evolutions leads to atheism as you put into your opus?
Please provide a link to the body of literature on the topic. Until that’s been provided, you’re a coward and a fraud.
OK, we’re done with GordonGreene. Who’s next?
Ah so the Cretin method of respectful debate is to call people who believe in the theory of evolution idiots. Got it.
“Later. I’m off to beat the slaves for not polishing the jack boots properly, anything about the wife...I must draw the curtain of modesty.”
Good stuff... count.
Peace.
We don't need a list. It's more fun when its like a game of "Whack-the-Mole".
“Now, how ‘bout giving us some of those “silly” terms you use for creationists?”
Sure! Some of my favorites are cultist, Hare Christian, and creation rationalizer. Of course, you can also check the top of the thread for the secret keywords...
When people fight back, that doesn’t make them the bad guys and Catholics innocent.
They share the blame in Ireland in violence, are not innocent in their treatment of those called witches, and were not the only ones to die in Hitler’s concentration camps. Plenty of Protestant Christians who risked all to hide the Jews and help them escape.
You can’t say that the Nazi’s were Christians because of the name they bore. You just dissociated yourself from Catholics who support abortion as not being real Catholics. Likewise for those who called themselves Christians who participated in the Holocaust.’
No Catholic can afford to put themselves of criticizing other denominations.
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