World Net Daily Drops The POTUS Ineligiblity Ball…(Donofrio)

naturalborncitizen ^ | 6/23/2009 | rxsid

[rxsid]

While I agree that all 'angles' should be pursued (the BC may help to establish weather he is actually legally in this country or not (i.e. no record of Naturalization)), I also am of the opinion that the main...root issue here is his admitted British Citizenship AT BIRTH which begs the question Leo asks at the end of this snippet:

[Quote]" World Net Daily Drops The POTUS Ineligiblity Ball…

Whether they know it or not, WND is causing massive distraction by feeding the birth certificate smokescreen more and more fire while consistently failing to concentrate national focus on the core legal issue - Obama admits to being a British citizen at birth and therefore could not have been a “natural born citizen” of the United States as is required by the Constitution.

One of these days the Obama administration might serve up for your culinary consumption the most perfect long form birth certificate you could ever imagine. [Edit: Exactly what I've (& others) have indicated for a long time now] Hawaii officials will vouch for its authenticity under oath if need be. And numerous forensic experts will substantiate its veracity.

Then the POTUS eligibility movement is going to look like a vast nutjob right wing conspiracy.

And the ineligible one will be so much stronger and more powerful for it.
... Let me make this perfectly clear – below is the question that must be asked of White House Press Secretary Gibbs should anyone ever have the chance again. It’s been crafted with razor sharp precision so that slippery tongued vixens can’t slither out of the truth nexus without exposing themselves to even the most sleepy of audiences.
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The false BC theory is – without a doubt - a conspiracy theory of epic proportions. Nobody can deny that it’s a textbook conspiracy theory. Regardless of whether he has a genuine long form BC saying he was born in Hawaii, the concept that the COLB is a forgery would certainly concern a vast conspiracy to defraud the American people. Conspiracies do exist, but they have a very bad reputation and the media can spin them as kookery with ease.

The dual nationality issue is NOT a conspiracy theory. It’s a genuine legal question. Obama admits he was a dual citizen at birth. Eligibility advocates have simply questioned whether that makes him ineligible to be President under Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution.

BC = Conspiracy theory

DUAL NATIONALITY ADMISSION = legal question ...

Make this question your mantra. Don’t be distracted from it.

THIS IS WHAT YOU ASK GIBBS NEXT TIME, WND:

During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?"[End Quote]
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/world-net-daily-drops-the-potus-ineligiblity-ball/

I would add, that something like this simple, to the point statement followed by a question would make a perfect letter to send to representatives as well as news organizations. Sometimes, very 'wordy' letters are tossed aside because they take too much time to read and address the multiple questions asked in it.

Use this poignant FACT, followed by the single question Leo has asked. They can't say...Snopes verified it, or Factcheck verified it, or the HI officials verified it, or it was posted for all to see. Let's see how they respond to this:

"During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?"

[rxsid]

Suggestion...(based on Leo’s comments)

[Cletus.D.Yokel]

The dual nationality issue is NOT a conspiracy theory. It’s a genuine legal question. Obama admits he was a dual citizen at birth. Eligibility advocates have simply questioned whether that makes him ineligible to be President under Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution.

The first 7 presidents were of dual citizenship.

[alloysteel]

Doesn’t matter where Resident (Pres_ent) Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., or Barry Soetero, or Mr Michelle Robinson, or Sock-Puppet, supposedly the son of an out-of-control teenager and a Kenyan exchange student, was actually born. I want to see some DNA proof of parentage.

He may be the illegitimate son of Frank Marshall Davis, or maybe Malcolm X. Barack Hussein Obama was just the patsy that was trapped into a sham marriage.

[smalltownslick]

Except...if the Birth Certificate were to indicate someone else is his father...then the British Citizenship at birth wouldn’t be true.

[pissant]

I’m not fond of this angle that Donofrio is peddling.

[rxsid]

"The first 7 presidents were of dual citizenship."

Of course your well aware that they 'grandfathered' themselves 'past' the NBC requirement. Why did they do that? Because they knew they were not considered NBC.
I'm sure your not saying that Barry meet's that "OR" part of the requirement as well.
Therefore, Barry can not Constitutionally be considered the 8th.

[Valpal1]

Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?"

Gah, why do people continually assume that because a law might have been potentially applicable at the time under some circumstances that might have occurred but didn't, that it some how "governs".

Had Obama or his mother when he was a minor child, chosen to assert his claim to British citinship, that's the statute that would have applied solely in regards to the British goverment and British courts. But they didn't assert them,so it doesn't govern, it's a moot subject.

[rxsid]

"Except...if the Birth Certificate were to indicate someone else is his father...then the British Citizenship at birth wouldn’t be true."

Correct. Then...he's got election fraud issues that he couldn't possibly bury, among others.

[deport]

Except...if the Birth Certificate were to indicate someone else is his father...then the British Citizenship at birth wouldn’t be true.

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That maybe true but it doesn't take away from the question asked regarding the statement supposedly posted on the campaign web site.

[Cletus.D.Yokel]

Not saying anything about Barry. I want to see what’s on the LFBC as much as Joey does.

What I posted will be the canned response from the Opossum camp. The sheeple will “baaa” their acceptance and continue munching on the free grass.

[ckilmer]

A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However, witnesses insist that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.



Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The American Thinker explains here why the short form that Obama released is not sufficient for Hawaii. The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that. Here's a footnoted timeline of obama's life 1961-2008. Its especially helpful to look at 1961 and 2008. Of interest is this: Interesting timeline with footnotes of obama's life.

of note

On April 10, 2008 Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduces Senate Resolution S. Res. 511 to “recognize that John Sidney McCain is a natural born citizen.” The resolution is allegedly meant to clarify that McCain is eligible to be President even though he was born in Panama. Because McCain’s parents were both Americans and he was born in Panama because his father was stationed there while in the military, existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President. McCaskill’s resolution thus serves no purpose – except that language is included to try and provide a “blanket cover” for other foreign born candidates without military backgrounds, in order to enable Obama to be eligible to be President. This is the language that Obama inserted “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;” This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain [The language is inserted by Obama.][301,303]

301# http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/#more-3844

303 # http://watchdog.net/b/us/110/sr511

[ckilmer]

Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. dJoe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so. See the press conference out take here.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts. Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

[rxsid]

"The sheeple will “baaa” their acceptance and continue munching on the free grass."

Unfortunately your right about many (not most) in America. Most just haven't reached their 'tipping point' yet to get off their arsses and be heard (IMO).

[El Cid]

I’m not fond of this angle that Donofrio is peddling.

Neither am I.
I didn't even in know it was a legal requirement (that your father could not have been a British subject at the time of your birth...). This seems to be an overly arcane technicality. Being born in a foreign country, or perhaps having his citizenship renounced because he became a citizen of Indonesia -- sure, I can get behind these as being as disqualifiers... But this having one's father being a British subject at the time of birth garners no more from me than a shoulder shrug...

[rxsid]

Yup. The BC issue is secondary (IMO, like others). However, if it is indeed true that he was born in Kenya, his mother was too young to convey citizenship (i.e. not NBC) to him. Therefore, he would have had to have gone through the Naturalization process to become a Citizen of the U.S. Since there is no record of him being Naturalized (which itself would disqualify him from POTUS eligibility), then he very well may be here illegally of all things.

[ckilmer]

you got it

[rxsid]

"But this having one's father being a British subject at the time of birth garners no more from me than a shoulder shrug"

It's more that that though. Barry himself had British Citizenship at birth as well.

No matter where someone was born, would you then be OK with someone having been born with Chinese Citizenship at birth (i.e. dual citizenship) being the Commander in Chief? How about a dual Russian/U.S. Citizen? Or, French/U.S. Citizen? Is that what the Constitution allows? Was that the intent of the framers when they put that requirement in our Constitution?

[AwesomePossum]

[pissant]

I don’t know if Obama was born in HI or not. What I am certain of is that he is lying about something. And it may very well be that something could be who his father is.