Posted on 06/23/2009 12:01:28 PM PDT by rxsid
Back to May 2007 — http://web.archive.org/web/20070523071030/dgmweb.net/genealogy/FGS/O/ObamaBarackHussein-StanleyDunham.shtml
Back to June 2005 — http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.wargs.com/political/obama.html -- THIS is one of the earlier references to Senator Obama being born in Kapiolani Medical Center (just one year after Maya says her brother was born in a different hospital), but the researcher lists no reference for his info.
BTW, it would also seem that this often-credited genealogist has at least one critic:
William Addams Reitwiesner —— Clumsy Prevaricator & Liar
http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2002-12/1040089930
I would agree completely. It's alleged that one of his lawyers (or staffers?) said that there is information in his original that would "embarrass" him. And true, why hide virtually ALL of his records from birth to college UNLESS there is something there he want's/needs to keep from the public.
That would go towards fraud issues, which itself would be a big deal.
However, being a British and U.S. citizen AT BIRTH, is the question that SCOTUS should ultimately address so that in the future we don't find ourselves with a (for example) Chinese/U.S. dual citizen that the business community and the press is in love with and promotes (a formally repressed ethnic minority) to the sheeple to the point of getting them elected.
How can a NBC of our country, be the subject to another countries law's and jurisdiction (as a minor even)? It's a contradiction. "At Birth" is the point, it's the requirement.
“Correct. Then...he’s got election fraud issues that he couldn’t possibly bury, among others.”
Just ugly any way you look at it, isn’t it?
I understand Donofrio’s contention. I’m not sure that the courts would support that contention. In fact I’m guessing they won’t. But it does not bother me in the least that he is trying to find out. But I won’t hang my hat on any one theory.
Update from Leo Donofrio ~ 6-23-09
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World Net Daily Drops The POTUS Ineligiblity Ball…
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World Net Daily White House Correspondent Les Kinsolving recently had the chance to ask Obama’s Press Secretary Gibbs a question about the eligibility issue and he fumbled at the golden goal.
Whether they know it or not, WND is causing massive distraction by feeding the birth certificate smokescreen more and more fire while consistently failing to concentrate national focus on the core legal issue - Obama admits to being a British citizen at birth and therefore could not have been a “natural born citizen” of the United States as is required by the Constitution.
Phil at Right Side of Life has the most in depth coverage and actual video footage of the WND-White House Experience.
Fox News and the London Times also covered the eligibility issue and Phil has all of that at the link above.
I am very concerned that the amount of serious media attention the birth certificate issue is currently generating is NOT due to some mass awakening of citizens but rather a calculated device put in place by the powers that be as a set up for crushing the eligibility movement once and for all.
One of these days the Obama administration might serve up for your culinary consumption the most perfect long form birth certificate you could ever imagine. Hawaii officials will vouch for its authenticity under oath if need be. And numerous forensic experts will substantiate its veracity.
Then the POTUS eligibility movement is going to look like a vast nutjob right wing conspiracy.
And the ineligible one will be so much stronger and more powerful for it.
The BC thing is a side dish, not the main course. Any discussion of the BC issue should be subordinate to the dual national issue.
The false BC theory is – without a doubt - a conspiracy theory of epic proportions. Nobody can deny that it’s a textbook conspiracy theory. Regardless of whether he has a genuine long form BC saying he was born in Hawaii, the concept that the COLB is a forgery would certainly concern a vast conspiracy to defraud the American people. Conspiracies do exist, but they have a very bad reputation and the media can spin them as kookery with ease.
The dual nationality issue is NOT a conspiracy theory. It’s a genuine legal question. Obama admits he was a dual citizen at birth. Eligibility advocates have simply questioned whether that makes him ineligible to be President under Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution.
BC = Conspiracy theory
DUAL NATIONALITY ADMISSION = legal question
Now doesn’t it make sense that they would rather focus ridicule on the conspiracy theory by allowing broad discussion of it rather than face a genuine legal question to which the great body of law and precedent stands to threaten their power grip?
But you just keep believing in false legal prophets. Go on. See where it gets you America.
Let me make this perfectly clear – below is the question that must be asked of White House Press Secretary Gibbs should anyone ever have the chance again. It’s been crafted with razor sharp precision so that slippery tongued vixens can’t slither out of the truth nexus without exposing themselves to even the most sleepy of audiences.
Make this question your mantra. Don’t be distracted from it.
THIS IS WHAT YOU ASK GIBBS NEXT TIME, WND:
During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?
Thursday, May 28, 2009
Natural Born Citizen Through the Eyes of Early Congresses
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/05/natural-born-citizen-through-eyes-of.html
Monday, May 18, 2009
Article II "Natural Born Citizen" Means Unity of Citizenship at Birth
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/05/article-ii-natural-born-citizen-means.html
Tuesday, May 5, 2009
The President’s Sole Allegiance at Birth Serves the Best Interest of the United States
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/05/presidents-sole-allegiance-at-birth.html
And most interestingly...
Tuesday, April 7, 2009
Obama, the President of the U.S., Is Currently Also a British Citizen
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/04/obama-president-of-us-is-currently-also_07.html
(If one looks at his campaign web site, they state that he lost his Kenyan citizenship (specifically) at age 21. However, they say nothing about him loosing his British Citizenship that he was born with.)
OK. I have a question. Suppose that we can prove that 0 is not a NBC. Someone gets a hold of his REAL birth certificate and the Supreme Court rules in our favor. Then what? How do we remove him? Will he go willingly? Will the Supremes order him to step down? Will the Dems back him or the Constitution?
I guess what I’m asking is, how do we get him out if he is proven to be ineligible?
This is uncharted legal territory. Most likely, he would resign under pressure from Congress. I can’t see even the Congressional Dems backing him if SCOTUS ruled that he did not meet eligibility requirements.
Worst-case scenario is a Constitutional crisis.
Screw Leo and his dog, too. He’s already aid that he doesn’t want to remove ZERO from office. He had his chance and he blew it.
So STFU, Leo. Forgeries don’t magically disappear. Talk about what you know and not what you don’t.
PS: Have a nice day.
Maybe I should help you out...
From Article II, Section 1:
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President...
Now, please, tell me more about this dual-citizenship thing and how it relates to today, and how that bears on the constitutional eligibility requirements?
Did you read my post #11?
Yes - and you should be shooting down such nonsense instead of repeating (pre-peating??) it.
Shut up and get lost Leo!
No need to “shoot down” any nonsense here in the FR echo-chamber.
I don’t know if Obama was born in HI or not. What I am certain of is that he is lying about something.
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My feelings exactly! But I lean toward he was not born in Hawaii and I am sure the thing posted on the internet is fake. There is something on the original BC they don’t want us to see. The question is....WHAT is he hiding? An embarrassment or something far bigger?
We have the proof that the COLB is forged and we have the proof that Obama can not be a Natural born citizen, why in the world should we give up either position?????
What I would like to see is the WND perform my simple test on how the forged COLB was created and post an article on their results.
Worst-case scenario is a Constitutional crisis."
Correct. This is unprecedented it our country's history. "President" Arthur would be the 'next closest' scenario.
If it were found that he was not eligible because he isn't and was never a NBC, then impeachment would presumably not be the legal option as that is intended for a President (as in, someone who was Constitutionally a POTUS).
The State Run Media (formerly 'Main Stream Media') by and large would not be able to avoid the issue then. And yes, most Dems couldn't back someone who was found to be not eligible. He would undoubtedly "leave" office in much the same manor as Nixon did.
Then yes...what then? Is Biden POTUS...even though he was chosen as a running mate by an ineligible candidate? Can an arguement be made that the E.C. would have voted for him in the absence of Barry on the ticket? Maybe then a special election would need to be held much like has been done in CA recently (re: Davis).
Perhaps this is indeed why the Judge in the Kerchner case has granted multiple extensions for time for the defendants (Barry and Congress) to respond:
"Plaintiffs’ Complaint raises significant issues necessitating that the named Defendants engage competent counsel to represent their interests. Given the high ranking positions of the Defendants, the decision as to who will represent them in the case is not simple and straight forward. Thus, since Defendants need more time to identify and engage counsel,their request for more time to respond to Plaintiff’s Complaint is reasonable and appropriate under the circumstances." Kerchner v Obama & Congress DOC 26 - Order Granting Defendants Additional Time to Jun 29 2009
Could also be the sheer magnitude of this issue (i.e. Constitutional Crisis), as to why this issue is very slowly being addressed even on the outskirts by those in Congress (see Posey's bill).
Uncharted Constitutional territory indeed!
It seems to me that both tracks can be taken at the same time, so I am not sure what Donofrio’s problem is other than ‘conspiracy theories’ etc. Not sure why he wants to concern himself with that since he has nothing to do with it. It’s not like he is a conservative and has to worry about any fallout.
I find his post very strange. If Obama one day produces said COLB, then I think most citizens will wonder why he spent 1 million dollars to hide it and create a conspiracy theory about his eligibility. It would backfire on Obama....not the people asking legitimate questions.
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