[rxsid]

Suggestion...(based on Leo’s comments)

[alloysteel]

Doesn’t matter where Resident (Pres_ent) Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., or Barry Soetero, or Mr Michelle Robinson, or Sock-Puppet, supposedly the son of an out-of-control teenager and a Kenyan exchange student, was actually born. I want to see some DNA proof of parentage.

He may be the illegitimate son of Frank Marshall Davis, or maybe Malcolm X. Barack Hussein Obama was just the patsy that was trapped into a sham marriage.

[smalltownslick]

Except...if the Birth Certificate were to indicate someone else is his father...then the British Citizenship at birth wouldn’t be true.

[Valpal1]

Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?"

Gah, why do people continually assume that because a law might have been potentially applicable at the time under some circumstances that might have occurred but didn't, that it some how "governs".

Had Obama or his mother when he was a minor child, chosen to assert his claim to British citinship, that's the statute that would have applied solely in regards to the British goverment and British courts. But they didn't assert them,so it doesn't govern, it's a moot subject.

[ckilmer]

A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However, witnesses insist that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.



Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The American Thinker explains here why the short form that Obama released is not sufficient for Hawaii. The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that. Here's a footnoted timeline of obama's life 1961-2008. Its especially helpful to look at 1961 and 2008. Of interest is this: Interesting timeline with footnotes of obama's life.

of note

On April 10, 2008 Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduces Senate Resolution S. Res. 511 to “recognize that John Sidney McCain is a natural born citizen.” The resolution is allegedly meant to clarify that McCain is eligible to be President even though he was born in Panama. Because McCain’s parents were both Americans and he was born in Panama because his father was stationed there while in the military, existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President. McCaskill’s resolution thus serves no purpose – except that language is included to try and provide a “blanket cover” for other foreign born candidates without military backgrounds, in order to enable Obama to be eligible to be President. This is the language that Obama inserted “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;” This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain [The language is inserted by Obama.][301,303]

301# http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/#more-3844

303 # http://watchdog.net/b/us/110/sr511

[ckilmer]

Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. dJoe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so. See the press conference out take here.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts. Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

[AwesomePossum]

[murron]

OK. I have a question. Suppose that we can prove that 0 is not a NBC. Someone gets a hold of his REAL birth certificate and the Supreme Court rules in our favor. Then what? How do we remove him? Will he go willingly? Will the Supremes order him to step down? Will the Dems back him or the Constitution?

I guess what I’m asking is, how do we get him out if he is proven to be ineligible?

[mojitojoe]

Shut up and get lost Leo!

[MHGinTN]

Leo: "Then the POTUS eligibility movement is going to look like a vast nutjob right wing conspiracy."

MHGinTN: Leo, when did the obamanoid movement get to you? ... You know that the criminal behavior attached to the posting of a forgery as Barry's 'proof of eligibility' is in no way negated by a later BC being presented. So why are you trying to divert attention and silence the growing unrest over the criminal forgery attached to Barry?

[BP2]

Leo, man, I love ya. You're chock full of ideas ... BUT ...

Leo originally thought up the idea of challenging Obama on Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, centering around Obama having divided loyalties based upon the fact his father is not an American citizen (per the British Nationality Act of 1948). Bravo -- most of us agree with that premise!

Leo got his infamous case to SCOTUS Conference, but it was not picked up. I blame most of that on non-cooperation from the court clerks ... BUT Leo can be difficult to work with, too. It didn't pan out -- it pissed many of us off, including Leo, who threw his hands up in disgust and went back to his life for a short while.

About the same time, Leo thought it might be a great idea to support troops in filing lawsuit. He and Dr. Orly theorized about it back in late-November on Plains Radio -- some of us helped with the research on that -- and Orly ran with it. But Leo refused to back that initiative because he felt troops were being exposed to too much legal jeopardy by Orly and others, as well as troops being goaded to defying orders order of the POTUS, abhorrent to the Constitution in Leo's eyes.

Then Leo introduced the idea of using the fourth branch of government to force answers on Obama's eligibility -- the Federal Grand Jury. An idea I and others here really like. But later, Leo felt the groups were making a mockery of the system and he stopped pushing the idea because it wasn't being run his way...

Many of us here on Free Republic are competent enough on the subjects of Constitutional law, dual citizenship issues, Hawaii birth certificate law, the Framers' intent in historical context, etc, that we could help prepare the arguments to be presented to the SCOTUS. BUT, it would seem that UP TO THIS POINT, the courts do NOT want to get involved in a power struggle that, in the courts' eyes, is between the Legislative Branch, Executive Branch, and individual states.

Personally, I would be pleased if our good friend Donofrio would just STICK to one of his good ideas, similar to how he did with his SCOTUS case -- and SEE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. He advised Cort Wrotnowski -- but didn't want to get involved beyond that. To me, he backs out when things don't go exactly as he would like too often ...

Leo could even try that SAME idea again based on Art II, Sec 1, Cl. 5 -- but just not based upon the concept that a state Secretary of State violated the Constitution. IMO, those election officials ARE following the horrible, currently-established state and federal election laws on the books (albeit loosely interpreted).

One plan of attack I've been suggesting is to go after the legality of Hawaii state birth certificate law, in that it FORCES the courts (and other states) to accept the Certification of Live Birth as legal proof of birth.

Attach THAT to an element of Article III, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution and we may have a chance to get the SCOTUS to touch the topic:

Clause 1: The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States;--between a State and Citizens of another State; (See Note 10)--between Citizens of different States, --between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

Note 10: This Clause has been affected by amendment XI.

The 11th Amendment:

The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.

[meadsjn]

... the core legal issue - Obama admits to being a British citizen at birth and therefore could not have been a “natural born citizen” of the United States as is required by the Constitution.

That's it in a nutshell. In his own words, in his own book. No further authentication is necessary, nor would any such change his prior admission. Thus he is a fraud, he knew he was ineligible to be a candidate for the presidency, and we currently don't have a legitimate president.

[rxsid]

Leo indicates he may be working on a 'legal paper' soon for perhaps another (related) angle:

"I agree that Mr. Walpin has standing under the Newman case to challenge Obama under Quo warranto by jury trial. Within the next two weeks I plan on posting a legal memo on this issue. I can't promise the date of delivery. But it is on my list." http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/world-net-daily-drops-the-potus-ineligiblity-ball/#comments

[rxsid]

The latest from Leo:

Why do both Obama’s State Department and the Senate require two US citizen parents for those born abroad to attain natural born citizen status?
...

The magic question is:
Why was it important to all who co-sponsored Senate Resolution 511 that both parents be citizens?
...

What was their logic?

What is the policy behind the language requiring two US citizen parents? This is where the issue can be further supported by your questioning of Senators. Policy as used with regards to the drafting of laws is a legal term of art. It’s analogous to concern. What legal concern is acknowledged by requiring two citizen parents? Get the Senate and Obama to answer that question.
...

But more important is that the very same question now needs to be asked of Obama’s own State Department which to this day also acknowledges the necessity of citizen parents on the same issue in their continued publication of the Foreign Affairs Manual at 7 FAM 1131.6-2.
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Why does the Obama State Department’s continued publication of the Foreign Affairs manual acknowledge that the issue requires two US citizen parents?
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What is the policy requiring both parents be US citizens as opposed to just one?
Why do both Obama’s State Department and the Senate require two US citizen parents for those born abroad to attain natural born citizen status?

[justiceseeker93]

The false BC theory...

What "false BC theory? There has been no BC at all presented by the pro-Obama side of this debate. There has been only a false Hawaii COLB. A COLB is not a BC. Plus, the COLB presented was not issued by the state of Hawaii; it was fabricated electronically out of whole cloth, as admitted by the perpetrator of the stunt!