Posted on 01/28/2009 4:40:21 AM PST by Calpernia
There is a biography of Barry Soetoro 's Occidental College days. It states that when Barry Soetoro was 18-19 he attended school as BARRY SOETORO. And it wasn't until he met a girl by the name of REGINA that was the first to start calling him Barack. See:
http://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/04/11/obama-at-occidental-college/
The importance of this is that it clearly shows that Barry was using his Indonesian name, and of course, his Indonesian passport.
The International Herald Tribute (The Global issue of the New York Times)
also states:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/08/america/obama.php
"Nearly three decades ago, Barack Obama stood out on the small campus of Occidental College in Los Angeles for his eloquence, intellect and activism against apartheid in South Africa. But Obama, then known as Barry, also joined in the party scene."
The LA Times also claims below that Barry was the choice of names that Barry Soetoro used when he first arrived from Hawaii to Occidental:
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/29/local/me-oxy29
"Memories of 1980 at Occidental College’s Haines Hall have the standard fragments of the era: stereos blasting the B-52’s through the dorm, pot-fueled bull sessions about the revival of draft registration, late-night cramming for economics exams.
"That otherwise private nostalgia took on public significance this month when a former Haines Hall resident from Hawaii known at the time as Barry announced that he was forming an exploratory committee to run for president of the United States."
Even Occidental College states that Newsweek reported that Barry entered their college as BARRY SOETORO under his Indonesian passport and NOT as Barack Obama.
It was at Occidental where he stopped being called “Barry” and became Barack Obama, Newsweek pointed out in its account of Obama’s formative years that featured his black-and-white freshman photo on the cover. “It was when I made a conscious decision: I want to grow up,” he told the magazine.
One of Barry Soetoro's college buddies says this of our Indonesian student:
http://www.verdugomonthly.com/article.php?id=382&IssueNum=32
"Tom Moyes remembers the first time he heard the name Barack Obama. It was in the fall of 2004, after the electrifying speech Obama delivered at the 2004 Democratic Convention. That was the oration, of course, which introduced the young would-be Illinois Senator to America and inspired an instant following not only in the U.S. but around the world. Moyes had missed the speech because he was on an extended vacation in New Zealand at the time. “So I pick up this newspaper,” says Moyes, who grew up in San Gabriel and graduated from Occidental College in Eagle Rock, “and it has this huge article about this guy Barack Obama. And it says he had gone to Occidental at the same time I was there. And I said to myself, ‘There’s no way.’ I’d never heard the name Barack; I’m thinking it must be a mistake. “So I call a friend I went to Oxy with, Ken Sulzer, and I say, ‘Ken, I’m down here in New Zealand and there’s this article about some guy named Barack that went to college with us. Who is that?!’” “I said, ‘That’s Barry, man,’” says Sulzer, using the nickname Obama went by during his youth, “the guy with the big afro who lived across the hall from me in the dorm.’
It is clear that the students at Occidental did not know Barry Soetoro by the name of OBAMA. Instead he was using his Indonesian name and passport. This story cleverly hides the fact that the confusion came not from the first name Barry or Barack, but because of the LAST NAME Soetoro vs. Obama.
Okay so why did Barry suddenly change his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Obama a year after he entered school? (I don't believe that REGINA story above.) It was simple. His mother and adopted dad got divorced in August of 1980. So naturally, when he entered Occidental in 1979 he used his Indonesian name...then immediately after his mom's divorce he desired to revert back to his birth name of Barack Obama.
See divorce records at:
http://decalogosintl.org/documents/Soetoro_Divorce.pdf
I can and will accomodate you...when I have some spare time.
: )
As to your specific point that I am rejecting out of hand the possibility...nothing could be further from the truth.
I made only a cautionary statement, not one specifically targeting you. You did imply. however, there was no merit to the original post when you pointed out the lack of supporting credible evidence. You next cast a shadow on the integrity and the motive of the poster. We are brainstorming here because, for the moment, that is all we can do.
However, I also think that it is a waste of time to post such questionable drivel.
Again, we are brainstorming. With no facts at our disposal and a concern for action, what would you recommend we post?
Let me know when you all are tired of reading the same old crap that is merely suggested and lacks any credible evidence. I will be busy clinging to my gun and bible.
Perhaps you will excuse those of us who wish to do more than cling.
Nonetheless, assunming for the moment we are on the same general page, I would be interested in your thoughts about my question: "What are “those” referred to in (your) second sentence to do in order to obtain an answer?" (Please see #49 in that regard.)
marital aids? A new phrase has been coined...priceless. Today we also coined ‘scotched earth’ and ‘leftist massage’-good one.
No, what matters is that he calls himself black. That point was made when a much blacker than Barry colleage asked "why do you say he's Black", trying to make a point about people with very small fractions of African ancestry being legally "Negro" or "Colored" in the old South. I answered, "because he calls himself Black". He admitted it was so and was what counted.
Of course in reality, he's only geneticaly African-American. By upbringing he's mostly White with bit of Indonesian mixed in.
"Nattering Nabobs of Negativism", Spiro T. Agnew, Vice President of the United States.
From Time
Agnew told a 1970 audience in San Diego, "we have more than our share of the nattering nabobs of negativism." He went after "pusillanimous pussyfooters" and "vicars of vacillation" and "the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history."
But there are others, not necessarily from the government, that go to foreign students only. Plus a foreing student could get admitted based on a lower academic standard, as could "minority" students in those days and until fairly recently.
And we all know things worked out quite well for Spiro.
Seriously?!? Come on. The title of your post is “Proof Obama went by Barry Soetoro at Occidental College”, yet you offer NO PROOF! come on...now you say, “With no facts at our disposal.” Why the misleading title then?
Thanks - I knew it sound quite right when I wrote it. ;-) I like the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history, too. Got a real ring to it! hehehe
Here is an idea. For together a group of thieves. Professional thieves. Thieves with bank robbing, serious high tech experience. Now, have these guys break into whatever Hawaiian government office that has this “Original” birth certificate sealed away in. AND BAM! You have your proof. It may be inadmissible for reasons of theft or illegally obtained evidence. I don’t know. I am not a lawyer. But at least you can post it here and put this to rest.
Seriously, why hasn’t anyone does this?
“For together” should have read, “Get together”.
Wonder away.
And there was no legal argument in mine either. I merely gather the info and share what I am able to and when.
Funny how some want to make a forum a court room :P
The brainstorming posts also gather info. These blogs and message boards are read world wide and many would be shocked at how much info comes in from posts like this.
These posts also add info to others that are gathering.
Probably why many don’t like them.
Actually, that would be me.
I mean it DIDN’T sound right.
I have to preview my comments.
He could call himself Indonesian...and he would be still be lauded as being black.
I will relate a funny thing to you.....
In Hawaii...if you are of a darker skin color you are basically accepted. Doesn't matter if you are Japanese, Mexican, Kenya, Chilean, Eskimo, whatever....it's skin color that matters.
If you don't have it...you are a haole...plain and simple. And you will NEVER EVER be accepted into many circles. Yeah, you might have good "brownish-blackish" friends, and good times with them. But when the rubber meets the road....your "friends" will side with the dark skinned.
Doesn't matter if you can backside Pipe Line...doesn't matter if you can rip Castles...if you are haole..you will NEVER EVER really fit in. You can doubt me, you can say I am crazy. I'm fine with that...but I know that to be absolute truth.
Skin color trumps up-bringing. It trumps parentage. It trumps everything in today's society.
Sorry to say.............
thanks null and void.
Proof that Hawaii did not verify the information on Obama’s birth certificate.
Star Bulletin | sarah p
Posted on 01/28/2009 12:23:29 PM PST by sarah p
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2173674/posts
What did president tell Supreme Court?
wnd
Posted on 01/28/2009 6:17:15 AM PST by dascallie
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2173386/posts
Why? There was no travel ban for US citizens, despite internet rumors. We've had Freepers tell us they went there in that time period. Hell, the NY Times travel section ran an article on exotic Lahore in 1982.
Love cheese...
All kind of cheese...
Want to badly go to Europe..and sample some excellent cheese.
Heck....I've even thought of moving there.........
The NYT, knowing that the 20 year old Barack Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981 ran the story in an effort to cover for Obama for his trip there that summer. /sarcasm
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