Posted on 12/13/2008 3:36:19 AM PST by IbJensen
What if... you woke up one morning and found out that the President of the United States was a USURPER... a FRAUD... a PHONY?
What if... the leader of the free world was constitutionally ineligible to be President of the United States, but was simply allowed to take and hold office anyway?
It's happening RIGHT NOW!
The sad truth of the matter is that President-elect Barack Obama has REFUSED to provide proof that he is constitutionally qualified to hold the office!
Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, states, "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President..."
Now shockingly, I've heard people say that compelling Obama to validate that he is indeed a "natural born Citizen" is a "technicality" that "should not be taken seriously."
But I take the Constitution seriously. I believe that you take the Constitution seriously. I know our Founding Fathers took the Constitution seriously.And... trust me... Obama is taking the matter seriously!
That's why Obama has continually REFUSED to produce a valid copy of his vaulted birth certificate.
That's why his teams of attorney have continually tried to BLOCK efforts to compel him to produce his vaulted birth certificate.
That's why, when the question of Obama's status was first raised, a "Certification of Live Birth" suddenly appeared on his website and you were told that the issue of his status as a "natural born Citizen" was settled.
But the issue WAS NOT settled... what you weren't told is that a "Certification of Live Birth" and a "Certificate of Live Birth" are TWO DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS!
What you weren't told is that the "Certification of Live Birth" - which still appears on Obama's "Fight the Smears" website - IS TOTALLY INADEQUATE when it comes to validating his status as a "natural born Citizen."
Look at it this way. For years, liberal activist judges have legislated from the bench. They have effectively made-up laws out of thin air... we've been told that there were "penumbras" in the Constitution... that the Constitution is a "living, breathing document."
Over a period of years, activist judges have slowly - almost imperceptibly - been able to chip away at your liberties by warping the meaning of the Constitution.
Now consider the following:
If JUST ONE SECTION of our Constitution can be flagrantly and callously ignored...
If JUST ONE SECTION of our Constitution can be reduced to a "technicality" that is not worth enforcing...
...IS ANY PART OF THE CONSTITUTION VALID ANYMORE?
That's WHY Obama MUST be compelled to produce a valid copy of his vaulted birth certificate and verify that he IS a "natural born citizen."
If NOT... when it comes to the erosion of our liberties, the bar will have been raised significantly and the consequences would be dire... for you... for your children... for your grandchildren... and for our nation!
The President of the United States can not take office until Congress ratifies the vote of the Electors.
Remind Congress that they swore an oath to uphold the Constitution and that they can not allow a USURPER to be President of the United States.
Tell them they must do their duty and compel President-elect Obama to produce a valid copy of his vaulted birth certificate before affirming the vote of the Electors. Tell them that if they fail to uphold the Constitution, it will become worthless and our liberties will become worthless as well.
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Win or lose, freedom loving Americans must draw a line in the sand and demand that the Constitution be upheld. If not, all is lost!
For the Record...Let me make one thing abundantly clear.
I'm not saying that President-elect Obama is NOT constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States.
The problem is we simply do not know!
When reports surfaced that President-elect Obama's paternal grandmother was claiming that she was present at Obama's birth in Mombasa, in what is now Kenya, some people dismissed the statement as unsubstantiated.
Then, a "Certification of Live Birth" made its way onto Obama's website. Some said it was a forgery, but the point was actually moot. The document was, and still is, totally inadequate when it came to proving whether Obama is constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States.
Then, there were the ambiguous statements from officials in Hawaii who claimed that a "Certificate of Live Birth" DOES exist for President-elect Obama in Hawaii.
However, the laws of Hawaii allow for a child to be furnished a "Certificate of Live Birth" even if the child was NOT born in Hawaii.
So... exactly what is contained on the "Certificate of Live Birth" which is presently under lock and key? If a "Certificate of Live Birth" - the vaulted birth certificate - proves that Obama was actually born in Hawaii, WHY WON'T HE ALLOW IT TO BE RELEASED?
Specifically, the statute reads:
"[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."
Dr Chiyome Fukino with Hawaii's Department of Health stated:
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
But officials in Hawaii got mysteriously silent and the vaulted birth certificate remains under lock and key. Why?
Then there was the issue of college records that Obama refuses to release. Why? Could those records indicate that he received financial aid as a foreign student?
Recently Dr. Jerome Corsi traveled to Kenya to see if he could find a birth certificate for President-elect Obama but was detained by Kenyan officials. Again... Why?
Janet Porter, writing for WorldNetDaily.com, raises even more questions:
"In Hawaii, a Certification of Live Birth is issued within a year of a child's birth to those who register a birth abroad or one that takes place outside a hospital,' she said."
"'There's the matter that Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan, Southern India and Kenya in 1981. He said he went to Indonesia to see his mother. This seemed plausible, except for the fact that his mother returned to Hawaii in August of 1980 to file for a divorce from her second husband, Lolo Soetoro. Unless she went back to pal around with the man she divorced, she wasn't there at the time of Obama's visit," Porter wrote.
"'There's another problem. No record of Obama holding an American passport prior to the one he received once becoming a U.S. senator has been found. If he traveled to Pakistan with an American passport, he wouldn't have been allowed in – since Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and under martial law. It was also on the State Department's travel ban list for U.S. citizens,' she wrote.
"'If he couldn't get into Pakistan with a U.S. passport, perhaps he went there with an Indonesian passport. But the only way you can get one of those is if you are an Indonesian citizen.'"
And, finally, one can not shake President-elect Obama's unwillingness to release an authentic copy of his vaulted birth certificate, nor can it be ignored that President-elect Obama has hired teams of attorneys (not individual attorneys but teams of attorneys) to thwart attempts by third parties to compel him to produce a birth certificate.
The question as to whether President-elect Obama is a "natural born citizen" - as REQUIRED (NOT SUGGESTED) by the Constitution - is not just significant... it's now downright compelling.
And it's a question that MUST be answered!
The President of the United States can not take office until Congress ratifies the vote of the Electors.
They must do their duty and compel President-elect Obama to produce a valid copy of his vaulted birth certificate before affirming the vote of the Electors. If they fail to uphold the Constitution, it will become worthless and our liberties will become worthless as well.
Win or lose, freedom loving Americans must draw a line in the sand and demand that the Constitution be upheld. If not, all is lost!
Crossing the Rubicon...
Simply stated, if the Electoral College actually allowed an unqualified person to be elected President of the United States, or allowed a person to be elected without verifying that that he or she is qualified, our entire form of government could be compromised!
I don't make that statement lightly. It's not an exaggeration. Liberty and freedom are not the rule in this world. They're exceptions.
In the United States, we take freedom for granted. It's a given. To us it's like breathing or walking. And that's no accident.
Our Founding Fathers established a government under the basic premise that men "are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights." .. rights that could not be taken away because they come from a Power greater than any one of us.
They believed the primary purpose of government was to secure and safeguard those rights and they enumerated those rights in the Constitution and in the Bill of Rights.
Stated in greater detail...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...."
When the most powerful among us are no longer bound by those founding documents - and, more importantly, when we refuse to hold them accountable - there can be no freedom... no liberty... only unrest... violence... oppression... tyranny... perhaps not tomorrow, but very soon!
Our Founding Fathers knew that all too well.
The action you take now may very well determine the future you leave to your children and grandchildren.
We have indeed crossed the Rubicon.
If we do nothing... we may well be signing the death warrant for our nation.
The action you take or don't take right now will determine our future. What will you do?
The President of the United States can not take office until Congress ratifies the vote of the Electors.
You have your reasons we have ours, ours at least should be allowed to see the full weight of the law before it is abandoned.
Just like Al Gore’s was.
Can you point out to me where the difference between natural born citizen and citizen at birth is defined? What section of the Constitution? What relevant law? What Supreme Court decision? Thank you in advance.
The folks who passed the 20th amendment were lunatics? No; that would be the folks who can’t accept that Obama was born in Hawaii (or that he won.)
***I am among them. I know that he won the election. The constitution says clearly that a person can win the election, be president elect, and yet STILL fail to qualify. So we’re digging into the process of determining qualification of a president elect, especially in light of the fact that there are over a dozen lawsuits filed saying that he isn’t qualified. Two of those have gotten considered & dismissed by the Supreme Court, the two that were independent of the forged CoLB evidence. So the only path remaining is the consideration of forgery and obfuscation on the path to zer0bama qualifying. This is a constitutional issue (crisis, really), this is a constitutional website, and you are deriding us? Who do you think you are?
8 years of lefty nutcases declaring that W was illegitimate have done serious harm to the republic.
***I haven’t detected any harm, certainly not serious harm to our republic. Outline your case for such harm. Those lefty nutcases kept trying to redefine what the definition of a vote was so that they could throw out votes or generate them from thin air in the hopes that a recount would favor their candidate. The Florida Supreme court violated its own constitution and the SCOTUS rightfully intervened. I’ll point out here that the damage to the process may possibly be that the SCOTUS got a bloody nose from the politics of the process and now no longer have the courage to stand up for the constitution. We cannot tell yet whether this has really damaged our republic; the supreme court has lifetime appointment for just such considerations, to be free from political consequences.
I’m not going to follow their example.
***They brought their cases to the supreme court and they lost. Their example only comes out when you consider how they acted AFTER they lost, not BEFORE. So why don’t you just keep your mouth shut until their example is VALID?
Obama is wrong about almost everything, but he’s going to be president;
***Interesting crystal ball you’ve got there, Mr. Magoo.
there are lots of good reasons to oppose him, but the BC business isn’t one of them.
***Then why don’t you outline exactly why the framers of the constitution put it in there that a president elect may fail to qualify? It was a good reason for them but not for you. Again, in that context I ask: This is a constitutional issue (crisis, really), this is a constitutional website, and you are deriding us? Who do you think you are?
Item 1: As to the “digging”: mostly addressed in prior posts, but I’ve looked at the forgery claims, they don’t pass the smell test (see earlier post for definition of “smell test.”). I was accused of being insufficiently conservative, (or lazy, or something) in this thread almost from the get-go. That’s usually a clue for me that rational debate is unlikely. Indignant, condescending, self-righteous certitude often prompts my derision. (And this is a conservative website, not a strictly constitutional one.)
Item 2: The harm comes from the degeneration of the level of debate. Issues take a back seat to “gotcha” games. So crazed were the lefties, they failed to notice that, aside from taxes and abortion, Bush was not governing as a conservative most of the time. But they hated him anyway. Which leads to...
Item 3: If the shoe doesn’t fit, don’t put your foot in it. If all the folks who are raising this issue now will be satisfied after the last court case is finally denied, that’ll be wonderful. Given some of the rhetoric I’ve seen in this thread and elsewhere, and your expressed doubt about SCOTUS’s “courage”, I’m not optimistic; it’s already looking like BDS is being supplanted by ODS. So no thank you, I won’t keep my mouth shut.
Item 4: I might consider a small wager (that’d be one way to have something to look forward to on Jan 20.)
Item 5: It’s possible for a president-elect to fail to qualify; that’s not the issue here, IMO. As to who I think I am: for your purposes, I’m a long standing member of this forum, as are you. Beyond that, I owe you no explanation.
Item 1: As to the “digging”: mostly addressed in prior posts, but I’ve looked at the forgery claims, they don’t pass the smell test (see earlier post for definition of “smell test.”).
***Wherever your earlier post is, you did not define “smell test” on this thread. In fact, you’ve been taken to task for your sense of truth smell. So you’ll need to point to the FReeper usable definition of smell test if you want us to use it and if you want to be above reproach for relying upon it. The fact that you have not done so is evidence of intent for obfuscation on your part.
I was accused of being insufficiently conservative, (or lazy, or something) in this thread almost from the get-go.
***Okay, now we’re later into the thread and I am accusing you of both.
That’s usually a clue for me that rational debate is unlikely. Indignant, condescending, self-righteous certitude often prompts my derision.
***Look at what you just said. You, being the sole-appointed judge of rational debate have decided that it is not there and so you decide it’s okay to engage in derision. Look at yourself! You are a charicature of a good conservative. Engage in rational debate even when you see irrational debate. That’s what I’m doing — with YOU.
(And this is a conservative website, not a strictly constitutional one.)
***It is both. So don’t throw out the constitutionalist component.
Item 2: The harm comes from the degeneration of the level of debate.
***That’s a slight harm, and it seems to be confined to a corner of conservatism such as this website, not to the whole republic as you claim. Your own elaboration argues against your original claim. Learn to reason, take a critical thinking class, and refrain from judging rationality of debate because you do not possess the proper skillset to do judge.
Issues take a back seat to “gotcha” games. So crazed were the lefties, they failed to notice that, aside from taxes and abortion, Bush was not governing as a conservative most of the time.
***Interesting stuff about lefties, but now it’s righties you’re talking about and we are much different. Your analogy falls apart.
But they hated him anyway. Which leads to...
***We can’t stop them from hating him, but we can stop their lies and hoodwinking.
Item 3: If the shoe doesn’t fit, don’t put your foot in it.
***That doesn’t make any sense, and your attempt at applying it falls flat. The reason is because of your present tense case of “shoe—not fitting now” versus the future tense case of “if they’ll be satisfied”. It is a classic fallacy of improper analogy. Take that critical thinking class.
If all the folks who are raising this issue now will be satisfied after the last court case is finally denied, that’ll be wonderful.
***There’s no argument here. It’s a future case, and you’re deriding people NOW as if they will not react properly in the future. If you can’t see the fallacy in that line of reasoning, there is little hope for you.
Given some of the rhetoric I’ve seen in this thread and elsewhere, and your expressed doubt about SCOTUS’s “courage”, I’m not optimistic; it’s already looking like BDS is being supplanted by ODS. So no thank you, I won’t keep my mouth shut.
***It looks like the 20th Amendment of the Constitution has ODS because it states that the president elect can fail to qualify. Your assessment of this BDS supplantation of ODS will not even take place until well after January 9th, so by your own reasoning you should be keeping your mouth shut until then. Let the constitution speak.
Item 4: I might consider a small wager (that’d be one way to have something to look forward to on Jan 20.)
***I’ve been trying very hard to get Intrade to post contracts. https://bb.intrade.com/intradeForum/posts/list/2279.page
Maybe you should post there alongside all the other liberals, that way you don’t look like you’re pretending to be conservative.
Item 5: It’s possible for a president-elect to fail to qualify; that’s not the issue here, IMO.
***IMO? That’s EXACTLY the issue here and yet you’re deriding fellow freepers because of your self-perceived judgement of lack of rationality? You’re the one who’s being irrational. You are the one who deserves derision and scorn.
As to who I think I am: for your purposes, I’m a long standing member of this forum, as are you. Beyond that, I owe you no explanation.
***That is one of the things I’ve tried to change because there are a lot of RINOs who hide behind the coattails of conservatism, which is what I suspect you are. We had the bugzapper thread where many of them committed freepercide, but there’s still an infestation and JimRob shows no inclination to deal with it. I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts that you would be unwilling to participate in an idealogy litmus matrix. And you’re right, you owe me now explanation, just like all the other cockroach RINOs who are hiding in the shadows. Talk about damage to the forum — and to the republic. 20% of those RINOs voted for Obama.
“...Maybe you should post there alongside all the other liberals, that way you don’t look like you’re pretending to be conservative... You are the one who deserves derision and scorn...That is one of the things I’ve tried to change because there are a lot of RINOs who hide behind the coattails of conservatism, which is what I suspect you are. We had the bugzapper thread where many of them committed freepercide, but there’s still an infestation and JimRob shows no inclination to deal with it. I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts that you would be unwilling to participate in an idealogy litmus matrix. And you’re right, you owe me now explanation, just like all the other cockroach RINOs who are hiding in the shadows...”
“Idealogy litmus matrix,” huh?
Hey, thanks for the “rational debate,” and the critical thinking lecture too! Good luck with that litmus matrix.
Buh-bye.
Yup. That one seems to scare the cockroaches. Buh bye.
Give it up.
NO!! This is NOT going to go away!!!
Worst political mess? The birth certificate thing? Hardly.
This is not a birth certificate THING...this is a Constitution THING...you know, that stupid little piece of paper that gives you your rights and freedoms as a US citizen.
you know, that stupid little piece of paper that gives you your rights and freedoms as a US citizen.
***I’m amazed at how many FReepers don’t see that. They’re much more interested in the game sport of politics than in constitutionalism and the meaning of our republic.
Again, give it up. There’s real work to be done.
What better work than to protect what has protected us for so many years??? The Constitution has been nibbled at from the toes up for years....now it will be destroyed at the head...the top..put a fraud in the White House who has an alligence to Britain....didn’t we already fight them once and kick them out???
Barak Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen...he is a US Citizen but he does not have the Constitutional qualifications to be President of the United States!!!
You aren’t seeing the forest for the trees!!
I’ll be sure to look you up when the riots begin. I’m sure you’ll be easy to find ... hole up behind the obamanoid police force. Go back to DU if you think issuing threats, vailed or otherwise, will stop some from opposing this usurpation of the Constitution. BTW, your nametag seems ‘off the mark’, agitprop. Your affirmative action fraud is not more important than the Constitution, not yet anyway.
***I’m amazed at how many FReepers don’t see that. They’re much more interested in the game sport of politics than in constitutionalism and the meaning of our republic.
There are none so blind as those who will not see. I accepted Clinton as my president for 8 yrs. I would accept Clinton AGAIN in comparison to THIS!! This move shreds the Constitution right to the core. It has nothing to do with WHO won..it has to do with the Constitutional qualifications for Obama to be there...BY LAW, the LAW of this land..”WE THE PEOPLE” land..not mob rule. WE vote with in the constraints of our Constitution!! The Constitution was put in place to PROTECT us, by men far wiser than we are this day and it has!!
This will be the biggest fraud ever perpetrated, anywhere, anytime in history.
Zero is absolutely hiding somthing BIG. His actions in hiding this simple document, show he is dishonest and probably not Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS.
His plan, stall and hope no one finds out, get in office, and hope the issue goes away.
I don’t think so Zero! You have not proven a basic requirement to hold that office. No birth certificate, no peace. Illegal usurper will occupy The White House. Not my president,no way, no how.
Agreed. The test of a constitutionalist is to ask if they would accept Hillary Clinton as president should Obama be found to be Disqualified and the proper constitutional procedures were found for a suitable replacement. I would accept her (assuming the constitution was followed) because the republic can survive another Clintoon but it cannot survive this knifeblade to the heart of the constitution.
Take some medication.
The democraps won the election. They will get to decide the White House final occupant, as it should be for winning. But I too do not believe this abrogation of the We The People contract—our Constitution—can survive with an affirmative action poseur allowed into office without proving he is eligible for the job he lusts over.
Put some ice on yours.
Love to. At work, though. They frown on the adult beverage here. But I’d suggest to any of you out there all upset about this birth certificate issue to up the meds and go see you mental health care expert immediately.
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