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Why are Blacks Democrats?
Celmak | 12/13/05 | Celmak

Posted on 12/13/2005 12:48:50 PM PST by celmak

Over 90% of Blacks voted against President Bush and over 80% are Democrat. I don’t get it. The Republican Party has done so much more for integration. Blacks have more in common with the principals of Republicans than due Democrats; poll after poll has established this. Up until the fifties, Black numbers in voting Republican was substantial. Why the departure?

I have a theory. The greatest strides in the civil rights movement were in the 60’s. The greatest leader was Martin Luther King, Jr. MLK, Jr. was peaceful and a Christian Preacher who spoke to fellow Christian’s hearts. This is why many Americans were attracted to his message. After his assassination, the civil rights movement moved toward its secular-socialist ways, away from the Christian message, and toward the Democratic Party. The Christians who were moved by the Christian message, like MLK, Jr.’s, began to leave the Democratic Party, renouncing there racist ways.

I need some help on this, and your own thoughts about why blacks are more apt to vote Democrat. I have a college project that I’m doing and any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, I may publish my findings, so please keep it intelligent, and give permission to print your name if you want credit. Thank you.


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: black; blacks; blackvote; democrat; democrats; history; lazy; minorities; minority; welfare
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To: celmak
There's two reasons in play that ultimately converge.

Historically, knowledge, wisdom, information and trust all came from the pulpit in the black community. In many ways, that trust in the man in the pulpit remains.

Enter the charlatans that we "know and love" -- Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Kweisi Mfume and others. The fact that most (if not all) of the so-called leadership are ministers is not a coincidence.

Those individuals took advantage of their trusted station to paint the "distinguished opposition" as evil, mean, heartless, and all sorts of other words.

That made it very easy to paint those blacks who dared to step outside the box that the charlatans paint as "uncle toms," "oreos," "lawn jockeys," and worse names. It helps to marginalize any and everyone on the right.

Conversely, there is a historical split from the early 20th Century: Booker T. Washington encouraged a doctrine of "doing for one's self" and "picking one's self up by their own bootstraps."

W.E.B. DuBois, pushed the idea of a "talented ten percent" taking the "lead" to go forward and pull the remainder of society behind.

I'm sure you can guess which side won.

DuBois used that concept with the formative years of the NAACP, and his followers embraced the mindset.

The single largest fallacy of that mindset is that the masses, i.e., those of us great un-washed who aren't part of the "talented tenth" are far smarter and more resourceful than many believe.

We are those who Washington felt would rise to lead not only blacks in America, but to stand hand in hand with everyone to help lead America as a whole.

We are there; we are rising.

It isn't an instant process -- God knows that I wish it were, but it isn't.

But as more of us leave the plantation of the "talented tenth," we begin to step beyond the liberal mindset and the Democratic party.

And thank God for that!

42 posted on 12/13/2005 2:04:49 PM PST by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: mhking

This is a Rocky Marciano vs Joe Louis fight.


43 posted on 12/13/2005 2:14:35 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: celmak
When did the Dems become this way, and why are spineless Republicans not pushing this?

Dems have been snake oil salesmen for as long as I can remember. The Pubs are too interested in positive solutions to engage in finger pointing. Fingerpointing is just not part of our make up.

44 posted on 12/13/2005 2:53:14 PM PST by staytrue (MOONBAT conservatives are those who would rather lose to a liberal than support a moderate)
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To: celmak
The old Democratic adage:

Tell 'em a lie often enough and they're bound to believe it.

45 posted on 12/13/2005 3:27:55 PM PST by RedBeaconNY (Vous parlez trop, mais vous ne dites rien.)
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To: celmak
Many Blacks are still locked into something like the urban machine politics that kept immigrants loyal to the Democrats a century ago. It's not as explicit now, but the idea is that voting for the machine brings your community jobs and aid.

Most of us were in that position in the 1930s -- Southerners, Catholics, Jews, Midwestern farmers -- but the dependence has lasted longer among Blacks. There's an element of loyalty in it. It may not be justified, but Blacks were loyal to the Republicans for 70 to 100 years, so we can probably expect loyalty to the Democrats to go on for at least a little longer. When a Black Democrat scores an impressive win it helps to tie Blacks to the party in the same way that Kennedy and Carter won back Catholics or Southerners for them. In the long run it won't matter if Blacks come to see their interests better represented by another party, but that hasn't happened yet.

It looks like many White Americans have a really strong suburban bias. The suburban way of life is presumed to be the best and life in the city centers a poor alternative. A lot of these suburban chauvinists are Republicans. Is it any wonder that many in the cities gravitate to the Democrats? If you or I are strongly in favor of commuting by car and opposed to mass transit, is it surprising that those who rely on busses or streetcars for transporation will vote for the other party?

People can choose a party out of ideology, interest, or affiliation. It's the third way that most observers ignore. People don't necessarily vote for a political philosophy or for favors. They vote for the candidate or party that "looks most" like them. In a two party system, if people are convinced that one party is very different from themselves and its leaders less interested in what's important to them, they'll vote for the other party, even though it may not be the best overall choice.

46 posted on 12/13/2005 4:19:25 PM PST by x
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To: Stand Watch Listen
The Dems (with complicit assistance by the MSM) approached and appealed to the black voters. They controlled the media which enabled the Dem party to portray themselves as the party with a heart, as the party for civil rights.

It's really basic. The Democrats & MSM continuously stay on message that all Afro-Americans and fellow Democrats are VICTIMS...and WILL ALWAYS BE VICTIMS...and only the Democratic Party will take care of these victims...
Ever heard a Democrat proclaim they are not a victim?

47 posted on 12/14/2005 1:04:49 AM PST by FDNYRHEROES (Liberals are not optimistic; they are delusional.)
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To: Grut
Conservatives have growing power in the Republican party, especially after Ronaldus Magnus. Blacks have decreasing power in the Dems Party, if any.
48 posted on 12/14/2005 11:27:09 AM PST by celmak
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To: Mr. K
Ive looked all over for your quote but cannot verify it. Do you have a link?
49 posted on 12/14/2005 11:38:24 AM PST by celmak
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To: mhking

Yours is the better theory. I have a theory that may compliment yours:

During the early 1800’s, whites in the South were, by a wide majority, Democrat. In the same way that blacks Democratic thinking is today, whites in the South, at that time, thought that menial work was “slave” work. Though there were not as many, if any, handouts from the government at the time, whites saw Republicans as caring only for northerners and taking away any handouts they would receive from the southern Democrats. Today, blacks are indoctrinated by peers, public schools, white elites, and black “leaders” that, because they were slaves once, they cannot achieve anything higher than menial “slave” work, and those that do are winners of life’s lottery. Blacks are stuck in this rut of not accepting ground level jobs, which eventually lead to higher paying jobs (I know, I’m in one), but are addicted to the government handout.

Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.


50 posted on 12/14/2005 12:05:26 PM PST by celmak
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To: celmak

ping


51 posted on 12/14/2005 1:04:56 PM PST by celmak
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To: celmak
My point was a quick-and-dirty take on it...several people keep insisting that I need to expand on that (I will eventually) and publish it, but you are pretty much correct. The peer indoctrination is tied directly to the "talented tenth" notion that those in that "top ten percent" know better than the rest of the great unwashed masses.

Don't sweat it. It's getting better...albeit slowly...

52 posted on 12/14/2005 1:31:44 PM PST by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: FOG724
Just Read (Their) History.

Republicans were slaveholders. Lincoln was a staunch Democrat who freed the slaves.

The Ku Klutz Klan was invented by Repulicans to terroize and keep those uppity Negros in their place.

Jim Crow laws were enacted by Southern Republicans to deny those Nigrows their rights under the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments.

Rosa Parks was villified by the Republicans and arrested!

In 1964 the Civil Rights act was in jeopardy but was finally passed through the good offices and support of the Democratic Party. Expecially Senator Gore of Tennessee who's only hope was that his son would ascend to the presidency!

Rewrite History and dumb down the populace and anything is believable!

53 posted on 12/14/2005 1:38:38 PM PST by Young Werther
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To: mhking
Thanks for the reply. You don't mind if I use this for a college paper due tomorrow?
54 posted on 12/14/2005 1:42:55 PM PST by celmak
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To: celmak
Democrats = Mothers - "What would you like for dinner Junior? Are you feeling all right? You look tired? Do you need some money?"

Republicans = Fathers - "When are going to get a job and quit mooching off your Mother and me?"

55 posted on 12/14/2005 1:43:55 PM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: usurper

WOW!


56 posted on 12/14/2005 2:13:39 PM PST by celmak
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To: celmak
You don't mind if I use this for a college paper due tomorrow?

LOL -- no, I don't mind.

You wouldn't believe the number of folks who have used my stuff for their presentations in college. I still get e-mails from people who either discover my blog's archives or come across my Project 21 pieces...

Good luck with your paper.

57 posted on 12/14/2005 2:31:25 PM PST by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: mhking
Could you please give me a link? I'd like to see it also.
58 posted on 12/14/2005 2:45:57 PM PST by celmak
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To: mhking; Petronski

I have to ping you to this my friend. Mike is really explaining it well.


59 posted on 12/14/2005 2:47:17 PM PST by cyborg
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To: celmak
Someone please ping RDB3, I would like to know what his opinion is on this. He and I aren't the best of friends but I think he would have some valuable insight.
60 posted on 12/14/2005 8:06:46 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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