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Don't spin the Civil War
Washington Post ^ | 12.27.10 | E.J. DIONNE jR.

Posted on 12/27/2010 10:31:54 AM PST by trumandogz

The Civil War is about to loom very large in the popular memory. We would do well to be candid about its causes and not allow the distortions of contemporary politics or long-standing myths to cloud our understanding of why the nation fell apart.

The coming year will mark the 150th anniversary of the onset of the conflict, which is usually dated to April 12, 1861, when Confederate batteries opened fire at 4:30 a.m. on federal troops occupying Fort Sumter. Union forces surrendered the next day, after 34 hours of shelling.

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To: Thumper1960

Not in the least...sorry to burst your little bubble, Thump*ss. I depise him nevertheless.


981 posted on 01/02/2011 1:48:54 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this herroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: mac_truck

Ignore list, you are wasting bandwith and your time. Once again, you are on my ignore list, unworthy of a response. Do you get it?


982 posted on 01/02/2011 1:49:10 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: mstar

Me too.


983 posted on 01/02/2011 1:51:04 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: stainlessbanner

I think I will continue to read the words that the founders of the Confederacy actually wrote in the time os secession as opposed to what the Confederate Revisionists have to say about the issues of slavery in the 21st century.

And the fact is that the Declarations of Secession of those four states mention “Slavery” 82 times and mention States’ Rights ZERO Times!


984 posted on 01/02/2011 1:56:13 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: TexConfederate1861

You’re right of course - I really shouldn’t dismiss it out of hand, no matter how preposterous it may be.

Please feel free to provide the issue number and I’ll try to track it down.

Would it by any chance happen to be authored by David Long or more lunatic prattling by DiLorenzo?


985 posted on 01/02/2011 2:02:26 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: trumandogz
If you did read the founders words, you might be surprised. Stephens and Davis were not fire-eaters. Catton does a decent summary of the formation of the CSA gov't and ironically William C Davis, hardly a CSA apologist, adds work specifically to the legislative branch of the CSA. Mostly absent or uncooperative.

Painting the CSA states as "united" and all Southerners subscribing to the tenants of the Articles of Secession is not a platform to build your argument from - there are so many more sources, correspondence, records, etc should you choose to investigate. Good luck.

986 posted on 01/02/2011 2:06:31 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: mojitojoe

Everyone needs a hobby. Apparently, I’ve become yours. Enjoy!


987 posted on 01/02/2011 2:59:31 PM PST by Abin Sur
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To: mstar
Or am I now the cartoonish empty headed neurotic southern belle reading way too much into it all.

I have no idea how neurotic you are, but you are certainly reading too much into it, yes.

Congratulations, you're picking up on the coven's petty abuse tactics in record time.

How in the world is anything I posted abusive?

And by the way..."coven"? Good grief...

988 posted on 01/02/2011 3:06:24 PM PST by Abin Sur
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To: mojitojoe; All
You came to FR in 2001 and [insert mojitojoe charecter attack de jour here].

Good grief, I got aquainted with FreeRepublic while taking part in mass street protests in the aftermath of the 2000 Presidential election. I joined online about a year later and stayed active in street activism and counter demonstrations to support our troops against A.N.S.W.E.R. and the nacent jihadist movement through the 04 election. Since then I've taken part in various street actions organized primarily through Move America Forward.

What I'd really like to know is how YOU managed to avoid conservative activism and FreeRepublic for the eight years I've been here prior to your joining?

(hint: unless your answer is 'in service to my country', imo you're just a poseur ).

I'd also like to know how ANY so-called conservative thinks its ok to describe their ambition to see a national monument in our nation's capital destroyed and vandalized, as you did in post(#691) especially one so recently connected with conservative efforts to restore the honor so sorely lacking since the Democrats re-took control of Washington.

Don’t reply to me again, or ping me, you are irrelevant and on my ignore list.

Lolz, KMA! where were YOU in 2000?

989 posted on 01/02/2011 4:15:00 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Not everyone lives on the internet and is into posting on internet forums 24/7. Some people have lives you know. I don’t give a crap what you did and it could be lies for all I know and I have no intention of spilling my guts on the internet. NOYB where I was or what I did or do and I don’t feel the need to make up lies or brag on any internet forum. Spilling your guts on the world wide web is for fools....like you.
So I surmise from your statement that anyone that didn’t find FR 10 years ago is not really a conservative. Your past posts speak for themselves. You enjoy fighting on FR just like your other pals. That’s your game here on FR, to fight with others. Pathetic.
Now.... let me make this perfectly clear(in my best Obastard voice) ping me, replay to me, knock yourself out pal, you will not be replied to unless it is with a picture or icon that you will not like.


990 posted on 01/02/2011 4:29:29 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Graybeard58

Less than 10 posts to go to double your estimate LOL.


991 posted on 01/02/2011 4:34:56 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: Ditto

You cannot debate with a hardcore Leftist. No matter what you say, you are the enemy. You are a member of the bourgeoisie. You are a ruling class capitalist bent on subjugating the masses. They are, for the most part, extremely closed minded and stubborn. Think “cult” when you engage them. The worst of the worst are the Red Diaper Babies. Those are the ones born into the “movement”. They are brainwashed and programmed from day one. They are nearly without the ability to resist what they are brought up in and are usually soul-less, psyche damaged zombies by the age of majority. That Horowitz made it out in one piece is nothing short of a miracle.


992 posted on 01/02/2011 7:22:36 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: mojitojoe

For your vanilla life’s experience you are awarded a lollipop.

It only goes to show that your foundation is somewhat weaker than most folks and you’ve never been battle hardened. All in all, you’d be considered the weakest link in any confrontation with a motivated enemy.


993 posted on 01/02/2011 7:25:32 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: TexConfederate1861
Does that mean you'll still have your little toast to the event which was the murder of Abraham Lincoln?

Apparently so.

Let us revisit that wonderful quote of yours:

To: Thumper1960

My only complaint is that Booth wasted good Southern Lead on the tyrant!

I open champagne every April to celebrate!

688 posted on Thu 30 Dec 2010 10:11:50 PM EST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our yout)

I just know you'd not celebrate JWB wasting good Southern lead on Lincoln. You celebrate that JWB murdered Lincoln.

It isn't a stretch to imagine seeing someone like you dressed in muslim garb and dancing in the streets of Rahmallah, celebrating 9/11.

Yeah....you're a credit to the South. Celebrating the shooting of an unarmed man-in the back of the head!

Just like a coward would do.

994 posted on 01/02/2011 7:35:59 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: mac_truck

How come he responds to you when you’re on his “ignore list”?

LOLOL

BTW, where he was isn’t important. Especially when he’s not sure where he was. The worst thing is, he’s not sure how he got where he is. But, he’s certain he’s right about everything that he knows.


995 posted on 01/02/2011 7:42:56 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Abin Sur; mstar

Welcome to FR, Abin Sur!

I’m sure you will learn a lot of amazing facts of which you obviously weren’t aware...such as the term “damnyankee”.

...even though you say you are from the great state of Georgia.

BTW, Yosemite Sam speaks as he should...he’s from Yosemite, which is in CA, the last that I looked. Hardly a bastion of Southern accents.

Why don’t you post something about yourself, and fly your state flag on your homepage so that we can get to know you a little better? It surely would be helpful.

Thank you!


996 posted on 01/02/2011 11:42:05 PM PST by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: rockrr

I will get you the issue number. Have to dig thru some boxes....if memory serves, it was supposed to be a cavalry raid into Richmond to eliminate top members of the Confederate Cabinet....I remember the article well, because the writer had a pretty good theory that the group that ultimately assassinated Lincoln had been put together by the Confederate Government in retaliation...


997 posted on 01/03/2011 2:14:36 AM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this herroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: Thumper1960

It really is of no consequence if you believe, don’t believe, or whatever. No one on this forum gives you credibility for anything. It is just a matter of time till JR gives you the almighty ZOT....Marxist Homos like yourself have no place on this forum.

By the way, THUMP*SS, this is the last ranting by you I will address. You are about to find yourself IGNORED, and consigned to the scrap pile for ex-marxist losers. And I have better things to do.


998 posted on 01/03/2011 2:19:23 AM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this herroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: rockrr

Blue & Gray Magazine is a pretty main stream publication, and very neutral and objective. I don’t think you will find any articles by Lorenzo in it, though I do give Lorenzo credit for crushing some of te myths regarding Lincoln.


999 posted on 01/03/2011 2:22:32 AM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this herroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: Thumper1960
It only goes to show that your foundation is somewhat weaker than most folks and you’ve never been battle hardened. All in all, you’d be considered the weakest link in any confrontation with a motivated enemy.

I would trust mojitojoe over an ex-redster any day. Ex Marxist seem to have RINO tendencies.

1,000 posted on 01/03/2011 4:20:12 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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