Posted on 06/01/2010 1:16:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
One of the biggest issues President Obama has had to deal with isn’t some foreign policy problem. Nor is it the health care debate. Nor is it the huge debt. While these are all issues that need to be dealt with, they aren’t the biggest ones. Much to the anger of many people, the biggest issue that President Obama has to deal with is whether he is an American citizen. In other words, people want to know whether he is actually eligible to be the President of the United States. This is a debate that has infuriated people on both sides—some think it’s stupid, others think it’s true.
But, this isn’t an article on how his birth certificate might be real or might be fake. There are millions of those already on the Internet. This is an article that touches on the poor public relations Obama and his team have done when trying to deal with the situation. In other words, they have created a public relations disaster rather than create an opportunity. And, this is an article that sums up that the question of what nationality President Obama might be is impossible to answer.
In public relations, when something bad happens to a company, you can react in two ways. Go head on into it, accept blame and get the job done or you can try and skirt around the issue and try to save time and money. The latter never seems to work because someone always demands some sort of an explanation. President Obama, much to my own curiosity, has decided to try and skirt the issue and spend millions of dollars to prevent people from seeing his information.
He has created this mess for himself. The first mess is with the birth certificate which he has refused to show people. Yeah, he showed the copy, but what about the original? He has refused to show it. Why? Then his school records. Why won’t he release them? If he released them, it would show he was born in America. Yet, he refuses to release them. Finally, his financial aid records. He refuses to release them. Why? Every time something comes up, he says no.
But, this has created another problem on top of the horrible public relations side of things. Try determining what nationality President Obama is. He was born in Hawaii according to the birth certificate he showed in 2007 and the newspaper clipping says he was born in Hawaii. But, then he went to Kenya after birth. Or was it before birth? Then he went to an Indonesian grammar school as a “Muslim.” Then he went back to America and went to some very rich colleges.
What nationality is he? He could be America; he could be Kenyan; he could be Indonesian. He could be, he could be, he could be. And instead of just stopping all of the discussion and just demonstrating that he is, in fact, an American citizen, he has made it a question that is impossible to answer. By creating this mess, President Obama has effectively, whether directly or indirectly, created a monster.
President Obama is going to deal with a lot of issues in the next two years of his Presidency and, if re-elected, his four years after that. But, if he doesn’t get rid of this issue now with a simple release of the documents—would be nice Mr. Transparency—then he will continue to deal with this until he leaves office in 2012 or 2016.
Rather than continue dealing with this very stupid situation, just release the documents and let’s get on our way. You brought this problem upon yourself and now it’s time to finish it so that the Birthers can figure out something else to hate you for. One issue at a time; let’s finish this one up.
I don't know anything about that. Is it important?
Rule of man instead of the rule of law? I guess that's where we are now.
No one said they were.
It certainly does, although it's not clear who said so on the form and if they were telling or know the truth.
She should know.
Until we get documents I'm going with her statements.
Obama is was not born in Hawaii, but even if he was, he is not an American and will never be an American.
Yet, another person who still thinks that Obama’s COLB is real.
It’s not importsnt where he was born. He could have been born in the rotunda of the Capital. He is still ineligible to serve as POTUS.
It’s 97% certain that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Despite Gov. Lingle’s lying statement of May 2nd, 2010, there’s a 10% chance he was born at the Kapi’olani Medical Center, a 10% chance he was born at the Queens Hospital, and a 77% chance he was born at home. No Honolulu hospital has a record of Obama or mother ever being there. There’s also a 2% chance that Obama was born in Kenya, and a 1% chance he was born in Vancouver, BC. Wherever he was born, he had one American citizen parent and one Kenyan citizen parent. An Indonesian adoption could further complicate Obama’s status.
At birth, Barack Obama gets his citizenship via the 14th Amendment (assuming Hawaii):
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
Obama also has his citizenship defined via the Immigration and Nationality Act — “by statute.”
Sec. 305. [8 U.S.C. 1405] Persons born in Hawaii:
A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.
At birth, Barack Obama was also a Kenyan citizen and a subject of Great Britain:
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
The implications of a Soetoro adoption:
Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Soetoro/Obama, an Indonesian State citizen. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie).
The implications of Kenyan or British Columbian birth:
Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1405] Nationals and Citizens of the United States at Birth:
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
Click here for detailed scenarios of Obama’s citizenship status.
This case meets the test of jus soli — born in the USA (97%)
This case fails the test of jus sanguinis — one or both parents are NOT US citizens
This person has “dual citizenship” via his father, is NOT a “natural born” citizen, and is NOT eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief.
I've asked for this before - do you have a link or citation that substantiates this? If not, it's another internet myth.
Q: How can one be born with dual citizenship (mother - American; father Kenyan) and also be a natural born citizen of the US?
A: You can't.
Do you have proper Tea Party attire?:
Q: How can one be born with dual citizenship (mother - American; father Kenyan) and also be a natural born citizen of the US?
A: You can't.
Do you have proper Tea Party attire?:
There has been no corroborative evidence that Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro was born anywhere in the United States much less the State of Hawaii.
The absence of any collaborating evidence means there is nothing to establish any conclusive facts about the background of Barack Hussein Obama, that includes his birth location. The only thing that is claimed is ‘native’ status and that is based on his claims that he was born in Hawaii. Claimed but never proven. The same birth mother [if Stanley Ann] would produce two different outcomes if born in Hawaii or born in Kenya. But even the birth in Hawaii, there is questionable jurisdiction as stated [the law] under Title 8 and the 14th Amendment, complete jurisdiction, not a part thereof. If in Kenya, an underage mother that can not confir any US citizenship.
As stated, if Barack Hussein Obama could, beyond any doubt, establish that he was in fact born anywhere in the United States, that documentation would have been issued and paraded around long ago. The fact that expenses countinue to mount in opposition of releasing any dcouments speaks volumes in itself.
The Birth Certifcate is a smoke screen.
Condider what ‘IS’ on a long form and then ask yourself what could be there that would necessitate that records be hidden and unavailable.
We conclude based on Obama’s admission that he biological father is Barack Obama Sr, backed up by the divorce papers.
A foreigner, a British Subject who bestowed the same governance to his children, including Barack Hussein Obama.
There is no collaborative evidence that Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro was born anywhere in the United States, including Hawaii. Because as stated ‘IF’ being born in the United States was all that was required to be eligible, then all the documents would have been released long ago.
The only other item of substantial importance is the biological mother. Again, with one admitted foreign parent, the question of citizenship is one of dual nationality. But with a foreign mother as I suspected long ago, that would mean that he has no legal United States citizenship of any kind. That in of itself would require all records that show his true birth to be hidden. The State of Hawaii has stated that his vital record was amended and this resulted in the multiple records they maintain on file.
All the other data on the long form does not matter, the number of siblings, weight, doctor, witnesses, et.
The doctor story was debunked long ago as a fabrication.
So again, the data that they are hiding is the actual birth mother, and even when Barack found this out, when he ‘discovered’ his birth certificate in the shoe box, he began the short road of hating his ‘adoptive’ mother’s race.
When Obama stated that he was a few months old when the Bay of Pigs happened, he was telling the truth, but combining the real facts with the fairy tale past in his autobiographies.
I doubt that Stanley Ann was pregnant at all, or even went to Africa at anytime, but that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya as the Kenyan government has stated numerous times. That his home country is Kenya as stated by his wife, Michelle.
That is the reason, why over $1.8 million has been spent to hide the simple fact that Barack Hussein Obama has no United States citizen parents. None.
Nice theory, but then how do you explain why he looks so much like Stanley’s father?
There has been no corroborative evidence that Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro was born anywhere in the United States much less the State of Hawaii.
The absence of any collaborating evidence means there is nothing to establish any conclusive facts about the background of Barack Hussein Obama, that includes his birth location. The only thing that is claimed is ‘native’ status and that is based on his claims that he was born in Hawaii. Claimed but never proven. The same birth mother [if Stanley Ann] would produce two different outcomes if born in Hawaii or born in Kenya. But even the birth in Hawaii, there is questionable jurisdiction as stated [the law] under Title 8 and the 14th Amendment, complete jurisdiction, not a part thereof. If in Kenya, an underage mother that can not confir any US citizenship.
As stated, if Barack Hussein Obama could, beyond any doubt, establish that he was in fact born anywhere in the United States, that documentation would have been issued and paraded around long ago. The fact that expenses countinue to mount in opposition of releasing any dcouments speaks volumes in itself.
The Birth Certifcate is a smoke screen.
Condider what ‘IS’ on a long form and then ask yourself what could be there that would necessitate that records be hidden and unavailable.
We conclude based on Obama’s admission that he biological father is Barack Obama Sr, backed up by the divorce papers.
A foreigner, a British Subject who bestowed the same governance to his children, including Barack Hussein Obama.
There is no collaborative evidence that Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro was born anywhere in the United States, including Hawaii. Because as stated ‘IF’ being born in the United States was all that was required to be eligible, then all the documents would have been released long ago.
The only other item of substantial importance is the biological mother. Again, with one admitted foreign parent, the question of citizenship is one of dual nationality. But with a foreign mother as I suspected long ago, that would mean that he has no legal United States citizenship of any kind. That in of itself would require all records that show his true birth to be hidden. The State of Hawaii has stated that his vital record was amended and this resulted in the multiple records they maintain on file.
All the other data on the long form does not matter, the number of siblings, weight, doctor, witnesses, et.
The doctor story was debunked long ago as a fabrication.
So again, the data that they are hiding is the actual birth mother, and even when Barack found this out, when he ‘discovered’ his birth certificate in the shoe box, he began the short road of hating his ‘adoptive’ mother’s race.
When Obama stated that he was a few months old when the Bay of Pigs happened, he was telling the truth, but combining the real facts with the fairy tale past in his autobiographies.
I doubt that Stanley Ann was pregnant at all, or even went to Africa at anytime, but that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya as the Kenyan government has stated numerous times. That his home country is Kenya as stated by his wife, Michelle.
That is the reason, why over $1.8 million has been spent to hide the simple fact that Barack Hussein Obama has no United States citizen parents. None.
Furthermore, two birth announcements for him appeared in both major Honolulu newspapers on Sunday August 13, 1961 and Monday, August 14, 1961.
All of that is corroborative to the degree that no court in 69 tries has invalidated that data including seven lawsuits challenging Obama’s eligibility that have been rejected by the US Supreme Court.
http://www.hi5deposit.com/health/vital-records/obama.html
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”—July 27, 2009
“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by [the Supreme Court of the United States in their 1898 decision in the case of U.S. v.] Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States natural-born citizens.”—Indiana Court of Appeals, “Ankeny et. al. v The Governor of Indiana, Mitch Daniels,” Nov. 12, 2009
“This is one of several such suits filed by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that President Obama is not a natural born citizen as required by Constitution. See U.S. CONST. art. II, § 1. This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”—Chief US District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth in dismissing the Quo Warranto claim in “Taitz v Obama”—April 14, 2010
If anyone really wants to see Obama’s birth records, they can be subpoenaed for a Grand Jury investigation in accordance with Hawaii law. It is telling that no prosecuting attorney in the nation has convened a Grand Jury to look into this matter and gotten a judge to issue a subpoena for Obama’s long form, vault copy, original birth certificate.
Bullcrap response.
As for the newspaper announcements, they mean nothing. They are not legal documents, as even Chrissy Matthews admitted.
WKA parents were not US Citizens and WKA was deemed a citizen, not a ‘Natural Born citizen’
No case has been heard on the merits. The Lakin case a military officer charged with the UCMJ can not be dismissed. It only takes one case, and theat case is coming. The Apuzzo/Kerchner case is another.
Here is some more to weep over.
I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen -Rep. John Bingham, framer of the 14th Amendment, before The US House of Representatives ((Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291, March 9, 1866 ) http://grou.ps/zapem/blogs/3787
All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England.
-Circuit Justice Swayne, in United States vs Rhodes (1866)
http://www.thecommentary.net/1861-circuit-justice-swayne-defines-na…;
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
-Chief Justice Waite in Minor v. Happersett (1875)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0088_0162_Z…;
“In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite, when construing, in behalf of the court, the very provision of the fourteenth amendment now in question, said: ‘The constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.’ And he proceeded to resort to the common law as an aid in the construction of this provision.”
-Justice Grey, in US v Wong Kim Ark (1898) http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=1…;
“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.
“That is mine, too,” said Leahy
-Homeland Security SecretaryMichael Chertoff and Senator Patrick Leahy, (April 03, 2008) http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html
Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States. -110th Congress, SR 511 http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-sr511/text
You only need to exclude a candidate from a couple of states to effectively eliminate him from the race. One state might even be enough.
I think Arizona passed a law that will require presidential candidates to show a “real” birth certificate to be on their ballot. If he don’t show one, he won’t be on the ballot in AZ.
Your theory (53) is as good as any, but accepts Barack Hussein Obama Sr. as father — and there is no factual evidence to support that.
The only thing we KNOW is that we don’t KNOW squat about this guy.
we have court documents,the divorce papers from the courts that legally state BHOsr is the paternal father.
The only other item of substantial importance is the biological mother. Again, with one admitted foreign parent, the question of citizenship is one of dual nationality. But with a foreign mother as I suspected long ago, that would mean that he has no legal United States citizenship of any kind. That in of itself would require all records that show his true birth to be hidden. The State of Hawaii has stated that his vital record was amended and this resulted in the multiple records they maintain on file.
All the other data on the long form does not matter, the number of siblings, weight, doctor, witnesses, et.
The doctor story was debunked long ago as a fabrication.
So again, the data that they are hiding is the actual birth mother, and even when Barack found this out, when he ‘discovered’ his birth certificate in the shoe box, he began the short road of hating his ‘adoptive’ mother’s race.
When Obama stated that he was a few months old when the Bay of Pigs happened, he was telling the truth, but combining the real facts with the fairy tale past in his autobiographies.
I doubt that Stanley Ann was pregnant at all, or even went to Africa at anytime, but that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya as the Kenyan government has stated numerous times. That his home country is Kenya as stated by his wife, Michelle.
That is the reason, why over $1.8 million has been spent to hide the simple fact that Barack Hussein Obama has no United States citizen parents. None.
His father actually had a second white wife, very eccentric, living in Kenya too, near him, who made another son who looks EXACTLY like Barry Obama.
Others have suggested she is the real mother as NO pictures of a pregnant Stanley have ever turned up.
I do not believe he was born in Hawaii.
Canada (single mother’s home etc), or Kenya, even received from the other white wife of Obama Sr all seem more likely to me, after years of this tremendous massive cover up of the original full BC.
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