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Traitor? Treason? [Robert E. Lee]
Old Virginia Blog ^ | 5/10/10 | Richard Williams

Posted on 05/10/2010 3:17:06 PM PDT by Davy Buck

"If Lee was a traitor (and I don't believe he was), he would be the only traitor for which a ship in the United States Navy was ever named. He would be the only traitor in Statuary Hall at the U.S. Capitol. He would be the only traitor whose image was used in a positive way to recruit military personnel to fight and win WWII. Quite an accomplishment for a "traitor", wouldn't you say. . ."

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TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: civilwar; confederacy; dixie; rel; robertelee; treason
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To: mojitojoe

might as well just put everything conservatives stand for he is against and looks for amusement on here to wind people up from the safety of his computer

you got mail too


281 posted on 05/12/2010 12:51:08 PM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Non-Sequitur
A political proclamation which, among other things, laid out "the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution" as Stephens saw it. And he was not alone in his opinions as to the cause of the rebellion.

If we really want to look at 'causes' then let's look at all of them.

It was NOT "all about slavery".

If it was "all about" something, it was "all about" the future, and the right to say what the future would be.

282 posted on 05/12/2010 12:53:25 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
I recently read online that it does have an effect, called "binding".

Politically binding, perhaps, but not legally so.

283 posted on 05/12/2010 12:54:29 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: lentulusgracchus
Read the rest of my post.

It was twaddle, too.

284 posted on 05/12/2010 12:55:25 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: lentulusgracchus
Are you really saying that you think the Supreme Court could forbid a State to ratify an amendment to the Constitution? Or overrule the ratification, once given?

No, and if you somehow stumbled to that conclusion then it is par for the course for you. The Supreme Court plays no real role in the ratification process.

285 posted on 05/12/2010 12:55:38 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
A lot of people thought we should do the same to Lee.

All they had to do was "do it" -- with or without trial. The man was in their hands. Why not?

Go ahead, say it.

286 posted on 05/12/2010 12:56:05 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Non-Sequitur

As I’ve said several times before, had I been in Lincoln shoes, I would have executed Lee and Davis for high treason. Lincoln was way too gracious for that, indicating in the case of the latter that he’d prefer if JD got on the nearest boat out of the country.


287 posted on 05/12/2010 12:56:54 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: lentulusgracchus
It was NOT "all about slavery".

Defense of slavery was by far the single most important reason for the rebellion. You can talk about other causes, but the simple fact of the matter is that take away slavery and leave every other cause you care to mention and the South doesn't rebel. Leave slavery and remove every other cause and the South still rebels. Simple as that.

288 posted on 05/12/2010 12:57:39 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
The Supreme Court plays no real role in the ratification process.

Or in the admission of States to the Union, or in secession.

289 posted on 05/12/2010 12:57:59 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: r9etb

Generally the way it works is that the Congress ratifies a treaty before it can be signed and treaties are between Governments.

A treaty signed before ratification cannot be ratified.

None of this has anything to do with secession and the consent of the governed except it is a bad attempt to deflect from the issue of the thread.


290 posted on 05/12/2010 12:59:59 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: lentulusgracchus
All they had to do was "do it" -- with or without trial. The man was in their hands. Why not?

Shooting prisoners out of hand was a confederate trait. While many wanted to see Lee and Davis swing, fortunately for them and for the country most did not.

291 posted on 05/12/2010 1:00:36 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
You can talk about other causes, but the simple fact of the matter is that take away slavery and leave every other cause you care to mention and the South doesn't rebel.

Incorrect. The Nullification Crisis confutes you.

Absent the slavery issue, if Lincoln and his Party of the North had continued to push Morill forward in the language and "diplomacy" Lincoln and the GOP used up to Sumter, you'd have got the same result. The North was slapping the South around, demonizing them and vilifying them over political differences escalated to sectional differences, and proposing to take all their marbles away and make them Yankeeland's bitch hoe.

That was the issue.

292 posted on 05/12/2010 1:03:14 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Clemenza
As I’ve said several times before, had I been in Lincoln shoes, I would have executed Lee and Davis for high treason. Lincoln was way too gracious for that, indicating in the case of the latter that he’d prefer if JD got on the nearest boat out of the country.

Plus which, he was dead before Davis was captured, and only a few days after Lee surrendered.

The decision no execute or not, was made by Andrew Johnson.

Lincoln knew the value of martyrs, and chose not to create them. So, apparently, did his successor.

293 posted on 05/12/2010 1:03:30 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Non-Sequitur
The slavery issue was a club, not a cause.

Lincoln's statements about slavery in the first year of the war prove it.

294 posted on 05/12/2010 1:04:19 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Non-Sequitur
Don't sidestep the issue. What's your druthers, South-hater?
295 posted on 05/12/2010 1:06:47 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: manc; mojitojoe

Why don’t you girls just get a room?


296 posted on 05/12/2010 1:08:10 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
it;s called a public forum
297 posted on 05/12/2010 1:28:19 PM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Or in the admission of States to the Union, or in secession.

Admission? No. But once a state has been allowed to join then the Supreme Court has original jurisdiction over all cases in where a state may be a party. That includes illegal attempts at secession.

298 posted on 05/12/2010 1:30:38 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: lentulusgracchus
The slavery issue was a club, not a cause.

It was not A cause. It was THE cause.

Lincoln's statements about slavery in the first year of the war prove it.

And the statements of Stephens and others prove that it was the cause for the rebellion, from the confederate point of view.

299 posted on 05/12/2010 1:32:04 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: lentulusgracchus
Don't sidestep the issue. What's your druthers, South-hater?

South-hater now? I think I need to leave all y'all alone for the evening. You and central_va are getting so foul-tempered that I can see the spittle fly and the veins throb. I'm afraid you'll throw an aneurysm or something. Wouldn't want that, now would we?

300 posted on 05/12/2010 1:34:40 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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