Posted on 12/15/2006 7:22:32 PM PST by FarRockaway
To: The Republican Party
I am a Christian conservative or social conservative. I am Pro-Life. I vote.
Rudy Giuliani is pro-gay, pro-gun control, and pro-abortion.
For these reasons and others, I state very firmly that I will not vote for Rudy Giuliani for President of the United States under any circumstances.
Senator John McCain has waffled on human cloning, has supported experimentation on human embryos, and has attacked prominent Christian clergy because of the, "evil influence that they exercise." John McCain has said of Pro-Life voters, on a public broadcast radio show, that they are, "otherwise intelligent people who say that that's the only issue that will determine their vote." McCain told the San Francisco Chronicle, "I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade."
For these reasons and others, I state very firmly that I will not vote for John McCain for President of the United States under any circumstances.
Sincerely,
Oh, Rummy, Colburn, Ducan Hunter.............
Blehehehe heheheh ehehe
A pro-abort Mormon?
EGAD.
No.
No Romney.
Standing up against the homosexual agenda and abortion makes him a tool of Satan now? What the *&^%# has happened to my party?
APf
Bump.
Don't waste your time signing. Just step right up to the plate and make Hillary Clinton President. Do you dare?
Other than appoint strict constructionists to the bench & use the bully pulpit to denounce abortion, Rudy can do very little about abortion.
pro-gun control
Rudy cracked down on the gang-bangers & drug dealers. He was also enforcing prior NYC gun-control laws.
pro-gay
It's New York City what do you expect
pro-everything-liberal-except: money and crime.
As long as he kills the terrorists and cut my taxes I don't need him or other Republican hypocrites preaching moral values that I can get from my church & community.
You've been assimilate by the liberal polling borg machine. Do you honestly think that conservatives love and want Giuliani just because the borg tell us that we ought to like Giuliani? In every single poll where Tancredo is included, he whips Swenetah McWayne handily.
Diminished expectations? How about diminished responsibility to cut the bull handed on platters?
Excellent, well said! Bears repeating.
I vow to completely blow off the never satisfied extremist activists who are always threatening blackmail. The ones who only bitch, moan, and encourage others to stay home. Always sending a message, never once acknowledging successes by those who followed through on as many of their demands as was possible at the time.
Perhaps the worst recent example of this was an article about Jeb Bush preparing to leave office, where he once again stated that he believed what happened to Terri Schaivo was wrong and that he is still bothered that he wasn't able to stop it despite his efforts. He didn't have to bring it up, and the conventional wisdom (rightly or wrongly) right now is that taking such a stance is political poison. Yet some backstabbing idiot then posts a picture of Herod washing his hands with Jeb's face superimposed.
Goodbye and good riddance to the kooks.
What is wrong with being Mormon, for crying out loud?
You better be a curvy, leggy blonde to call me Honey.
And yes, there's no way Tancredo can win the WH. I wish he could but he can't.
No more evangelical neocons for President.
Agreed. I've never seen a socially conservative candidate win (except in protected enclaves) without being fiscally conservative first and foremost.
Trivia: Bill Clinton campaigned twice as more fiscally conservative than any of the rest of the Democrats and he was smart enough to know that by continuing to side with the Republicans in Congress on this issue for most his presidency, he was able to retain high job approval numbers.
Fiscal conservatism wins elections.
Your posts are getting uglier and more stupid.
We don't bash religions here, save for Islam.
"I guess to you a smashed glass is better than one 1/2 filled with milk.
Enjoy the next two years."
And I guess having the establishment decide what's best for us is better still. Sort of like when they gave us Bob Dole, for our own good, cause they knew better.
The Real Rudy Giuliani:
From Human Events:
Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance
As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:
"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.
I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...
Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.
Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."
Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:
"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999
It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?
Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.
An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate
In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.
Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.
Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?
Soft on Gay Marriage
Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.
Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:
His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."
Here's more from the New York Daily News:
"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.
The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.
"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."
"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."
Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.
Pro-Illegal Immigration
As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:
"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."
That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:
"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."
If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.
READ MORE OF GIULIANI'S LEFT-WIND POSITIONS HERE
I have nothing against religious conservatives.
All I'm saying is that Republicans need to diversify and preach the other tenets of conservatism too.
We know Republicans are pro-life and pro-family already. Why do they have to make it a central part of their campaigns all the time?
Go Tom!
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