Posted on 12/04/2006 6:10:06 PM PST by goldstategop
RUSH: John in Shreveport, Louisiana. Hello.
CALLER: Mr. Rush, don't you think you're being a hypocrite when you're not -- when you don't want the Iraqis to decide the problems themselves, especially since Abraham Lincoln took two -- two generals named Lincoln [sic--Grant] and Sherman who were responsible for the deaths of 59,000 southern people? And since you hate Confederate heritage that much, don't you think that we should allow the people of Iraq to decide their own fate?
RUSH: (Laughing.) Gee. I hate Confederate heritage?
CALLER: No kidding.
RUSH: On the basis of what do you say that?
CALLER: Okay, allow me to quote you from 2001: "The American Civil War was the first conflict in human history to set a people free from the bondage of slavery." Your quote, sir.
RUSH: Yeah?
CALLER: And that's not --
RUSH: Well, the point is, we fought --
CALLER: -- power --
RUSH: Are we going to have this argument, Steve?
CALLER: Yes, sir, we are, if you've got the nerve to hold it!
RUSH: I'll have this argument with you any time you want. I've been hearing from you guys since I started this show. I know, it's about states' rights, it was about freedom; it was about independence. But it was about preserving the union -- and Abraham Lincoln knew that you couldn't preserve an America with the institutions defined by our Constitution if one man was allowed to own another.
CALLER: Well, you could not preserve the Constitution as long as you could override it by military power and invasion.
RUSH: Well, there was the preservation of the union that was the number one --
CALLER: How about the preservation of the Constitution, shouldn't that be predominant?
RUSH: Look, you still want to secede? What's your solution?
CALLER: We have no choice, we're under occupation now. The thing about it is you still have to lie about Abraham Lincoln to prove your, to make your point.
RUSH: I'm not lying about Abraham Lincoln. What do you mean, you're still under occupation?
CALLER: Put it this way. The South was not allowed to vote its own way; we're not going to allow Iraq to vote its own government, either.
RUSH: But we did.
CALLER: Do you think we're really abiding by that? What they voted for, we're trying to subvert it by military occupation. No difference than what they did here for 12 years in Louisiana. You don't think we don't see that? You don't think we don't see you as a hypocrite for what you say about, oh, yeah, preserve the union, but let's never mind, let's take away the vote from those who are the voting citizens --
RUSH: I cannot believe this!
CALLER: -- Constitution!
RUSH: I can't believe this. You are taking out your frustrations at having lost the Civil War on me and claiming I'm a hypocrite because of my stance on the Iraq war?
CALLER: Yes, sir.
RUSH: Which I don't even think you know what it is.
CALLER: I don't think you know -- I don't think you know who Abraham Lincoln was.
RUSH: I certainly know who Abraham Lincoln was. He's one of the greatest presidents in the history of the country.
CALLER: Who said that --
RUSH: And it wasn't because he defeated the south. It was because he preserved the union.
CALLER: He preserved the union by trampling the Constitution!
RUSH: He did not trample the Constitution. He suspended habeas corpus. He did do some things I wish Bush would do.
CALLER: Like kill 59,000 innocent civilians?
RUSH: Are you talking about Sherman's march through Atlanta?
CALLER: And -- and -- and Grant's shelling the city of Vicksburg. Hello?
RUSH: It won the war, didn't it? You ever heard of Gettysburg? It won the war and that was the objective. I'll tell you what I wish Bush would do that Lincoln did. Take all these anti-war agitators and send 'em to Canada. Send the National Guard in there. Send Harry Reid over to Baghdad if he's going to be so socially --
CALLER: Like that Ohio Congressman Vallandigham, huh?
RUSH: Absolutely, like that Ohio congressman, that Democrat that was snatched out of his house and sent down to Jefferson Davis, who also didn't want him.
CALLER: Well, at least I got you to acknowledge that.
RUSH: Acknowledge what?
CALLER: Well, the fact that Lincoln did have his secret police who went into people's houses, pulled them out in the middle of the night, and had them -- and had them --
RUSH: You know what? I hope before you die you learn to thank God for Abraham Lincoln.
CALLER: I hope before you die you learn what a racist and a bigot and a power-hungry maniac he was.
RUSH: I'm the racist and the bigot?
CALLER: I didn't say you were. I said he was!
RUSH: Oh. Abraham Lincoln? How in the world you can call a guy who ended slavery a racist and a bigot? I have heard everything now. Everything, in 22 years of hosting this program, I have heard everything.
Yep, I also pictured Stand Watie. I guess Rush will now be called a CARpetBAGging YanKEe RINO.
"The sole object of this war is to restore the Union. Should
I become convinced it has any other object or That the Government designs its soldiers to execute the wishes of the
Abolitionists, I pledge you my honor as a man and a soldier I would resign my commission and carry my sword to the other side. Gen U.S. Grant
And very accurate, around here. Not all who appreciate Southern heritage are kooks, but the kooks swarm these threads.
And they sure showed Sonny Purdue, eh?
You mean that handful of pimple-faced Citadel students that fired on the supply ship? THAT is a cause for war? Of course, when the real fight started, when the troops fired on the ship, poor A. Lincoln was taken aback and in utter surprise, he feebly ordered a retaliation. NOT!!
AL had already drawn up battle plans and was quite ready for a counter to any action taken against his plainly illegal garrison at Ft. Sumpter. A. Lincoln was planning for war eithe way. He would preserve the union at all costs.
Including making slavery a permanent institution. He was, and still is, I believe, the only person of power to state that he would make it permanent if it would preserve the union.
This coming from a man who's caveat is a bowel movement.
I heard this exchange today. I kept waiting for the guy to start laughing and tell Rush he got him. It was a surreal momnet, that's for sure.
The test would have been his support for the 14th Amendment. We'll never know, but I suspect he would have supported it given the alternatives of de facto lack of any rights for the Black man in the South following the war.
On FR we have North vs. South debates from time to time. All they can have on DU are debates between Stalinists and Trotskyites (or sometimes Stalinists and Maoists).
"The fall of Atlanta was IMO the real turning point of the conflict. "
The war was lost before that. I think there was a feeling that revenge had to be exacted. Unfortunately raping and pillaging the south was part of Sherman's strategy.
That was not something that was appropriate for people you wanted to be your fellow citizens.
But nevertheless, Lee & Sherman were different men.
I don't understand your post.
Well as I said...
Very similar language to the law in four UNION states.
This is where the paleo-cons meet the moonbats meet the jihadis....
Scratch a 'confederate kook', wound a jihadist: Robert bin Lee....
I suspect that the 'southron' kooks would throw their kit in with Al Qaeda if the jihidis would let the kooks keep everything south of the Mason-Dixon line.
But then they would just end up fighting over the West like we did....
Kooks!
I guess the only question would be: 'who has more suicide bombers, the CKA or AQ?'
Show me where in the US Constitution prior to 1860 where slavery is addressed?
That's OK. The US Constitution still wins.
For more than two centuries, still the undisputed champ of governing documents. ^_^
Rush is that you?
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