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Confederate Kook Still Smarts Under Civil War "Occupation" (El Rushbo Defends The Union Alert)
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | 12/04/2006 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 12/04/2006 6:10:06 PM PST by goldstategop

RUSH: John in Shreveport, Louisiana. Hello.

CALLER: Mr. Rush, don't you think you're being a hypocrite when you're not -- when you don't want the Iraqis to decide the problems themselves, especially since Abraham Lincoln took two -- two generals named Lincoln [sic--Grant] and Sherman who were responsible for the deaths of 59,000 southern people? And since you hate Confederate heritage that much, don't you think that we should allow the people of Iraq to decide their own fate?

RUSH: (Laughing.) Gee. I hate Confederate heritage?

CALLER: No kidding.

RUSH: On the basis of what do you say that?

CALLER: Okay, allow me to quote you from 2001: "The American Civil War was the first conflict in human history to set a people free from the bondage of slavery." Your quote, sir.

RUSH: Yeah?

CALLER: And that's not --

RUSH: Well, the point is, we fought --

CALLER: -- power --

RUSH: Are we going to have this argument, Steve?

CALLER: Yes, sir, we are, if you've got the nerve to hold it!

RUSH: I'll have this argument with you any time you want. I've been hearing from you guys since I started this show. I know, it's about states' rights, it was about freedom; it was about independence. But it was about preserving the union -- and Abraham Lincoln knew that you couldn't preserve an America with the institutions defined by our Constitution if one man was allowed to own another.

CALLER: Well, you could not preserve the Constitution as long as you could override it by military power and invasion.

RUSH: Well, there was the preservation of the union that was the number one --

CALLER: How about the preservation of the Constitution, shouldn't that be predominant?

RUSH: Look, you still want to secede? What's your solution?

CALLER: We have no choice, we're under occupation now. The thing about it is you still have to lie about Abraham Lincoln to prove your, to make your point.

RUSH: I'm not lying about Abraham Lincoln. What do you mean, you're still under occupation?

CALLER: Put it this way. The South was not allowed to vote its own way; we're not going to allow Iraq to vote its own government, either.

RUSH: But we did.

CALLER: Do you think we're really abiding by that? What they voted for, we're trying to subvert it by military occupation. No difference than what they did here for 12 years in Louisiana. You don't think we don't see that? You don't think we don't see you as a hypocrite for what you say about, oh, yeah, preserve the union, but let's never mind, let's take away the vote from those who are the voting citizens --

RUSH: I cannot believe this!

CALLER: -- Constitution!

RUSH: I can't believe this. You are taking out your frustrations at having lost the Civil War on me and claiming I'm a hypocrite because of my stance on the Iraq war?

CALLER: Yes, sir.

RUSH: Which I don't even think you know what it is.

CALLER: I don't think you know -- I don't think you know who Abraham Lincoln was.

RUSH: I certainly know who Abraham Lincoln was. He's one of the greatest presidents in the history of the country.

CALLER: Who said that --

RUSH: And it wasn't because he defeated the south. It was because he preserved the union.

CALLER: He preserved the union by trampling the Constitution!

RUSH: He did not trample the Constitution. He suspended habeas corpus. He did do some things I wish Bush would do.

CALLER: Like kill 59,000 innocent civilians?

RUSH: Are you talking about Sherman's march through Atlanta?

CALLER: And -- and -- and Grant's shelling the city of Vicksburg. Hello?

RUSH: It won the war, didn't it? You ever heard of Gettysburg? It won the war and that was the objective. I'll tell you what I wish Bush would do that Lincoln did. Take all these anti-war agitators and send 'em to Canada. Send the National Guard in there. Send Harry Reid over to Baghdad if he's going to be so socially --

CALLER: Like that Ohio Congressman Vallandigham, huh?

RUSH: Absolutely, like that Ohio congressman, that Democrat that was snatched out of his house and sent down to Jefferson Davis, who also didn't want him.

CALLER: Well, at least I got you to acknowledge that.

RUSH: Acknowledge what?

CALLER: Well, the fact that Lincoln did have his secret police who went into people's houses, pulled them out in the middle of the night, and had them -- and had them --

RUSH: You know what? I hope before you die you learn to thank God for Abraham Lincoln.

CALLER: I hope before you die you learn what a racist and a bigot and a power-hungry maniac he was.

RUSH: I'm the racist and the bigot?

CALLER: I didn't say you were. I said he was!

RUSH: Oh. Abraham Lincoln? How in the world you can call a guy who ended slavery a racist and a bigot? I have heard everything now. Everything, in 22 years of hosting this program, I have heard everything.


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El Rushbo takes on a Confederate kook to defend the greatest of American Presidents - the first Republican President - Abraham Lincoln - the Civil War and its result... the preservation of The Union.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

1 posted on 12/04/2006 6:10:13 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

The winner gets to write "history".


2 posted on 12/04/2006 6:16:41 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (lookw)
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To: goldstategop

Well, by modern standards, Lincoln *was* a bigot. It's a well-known statement of Lincoln's that he didn't care about freeing the slaves at first, he just wanted to reunite the Union. He seized on emancipation when it became politically expedient to do so. Lincoln wasn't an abolitionist--he had much the same prejudices about blacks that most Northerners AND Southerners did 150 years ago.

But that's why it's so dangerous to judge people in the 1860s by modern standards, which is something that modern liberals always seem to want to do.

I'm not as much of a Lincoln-hater as a lot of fellow semi-unreconstructed Confederates--yes, he ran roughshod over the Constitution (suspension of habeas corpus, etc.), and there's no denying that one of the results of the War Between the States was a massive centralization of Federal power and a consequent reduction in state power. But he wasn't an evil ogre. He did what he thought he had to do to reunite the country--unfortunately, in addition to the good consequences, there have been some unforeseen bad ones as well.

}:-)4


3 posted on 12/04/2006 6:18:19 PM PST by Moose4 (Baa havoc, and let slip the sheep of war.)
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To: goldstategop
El Rushbo takes on a Confederate kook to defend the greatest of American Presidents - the first Republican President - Abraham Lincoln - the Civil War and its result... the preservation of The Union.

Yes, he was the greatest president, but I guarantee you there are a number on this forum with perverted ideas very similar to those of the caller. Your thread might just be graced by one or two of them.

4 posted on 12/04/2006 6:18:37 PM PST by MACVSOG68
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To: goldstategop

The caller is definetly a kook, but I really don't get the fascination with Lincoln.. he is the direct cause of the exapnsionist federal government.


5 posted on 12/04/2006 6:20:57 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: goldstategop

bttt


6 posted on 12/04/2006 6:21:00 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: goldstategop

I don't agree with Lincoln as being "the greatest Republican President", but Rush gave this guy more time then he should have.


7 posted on 12/04/2006 6:21:00 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Note: Sell Diebold Stock.................NOW!!)
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To: MACVSOG68
Yes we can expect the Southern Lost Cause Brigade to rally on FR to twist the truth around. I only wish Bush had been as hard on treason to the country as Lincoln had been. It takes a cunning ruthlessness to not only preserve one's country but to win a war.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

8 posted on 12/04/2006 6:21:07 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

When I heard this, I kept imagining the caller foaming at the mouth.


9 posted on 12/04/2006 6:21:56 PM PST by Ilky Hucktar
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To: Michael.SF.
He's the greatest American President, period. After Washington, Lincoln is rightly regarded by all as the Second Father Of His Country.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

10 posted on 12/04/2006 6:22:43 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
The winner gets to write "history".

Yup. The pro-choice history is that you aren't a person unless you've already been born. And if the South had won, it would be accepted history that you are not a person unless you are white.

If there were really about state's rights, then why is that the Articles of Confederation did not grant states the right to secede?

11 posted on 12/04/2006 6:23:48 PM PST by Jibaholic (Whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets)
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To: goldstategop

I don't like to the term Confederate Kook it is very distasteful


12 posted on 12/04/2006 6:23:52 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Happy 200th Birthday Robert E. LEE)
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To: stainlessbanner


13 posted on 12/04/2006 6:24:38 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: goldstategop

Than call totally took the cake.


14 posted on 12/04/2006 6:26:11 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: goldstategop

My favorite unreported bit of Civil War history is the fact that most of the leaders of the Confederacy were Democrats. The northerners who sided with the Confederacy were also largely Democrats. And the people who took African-Americans' rights away after Reconstruction were also Democrats.


15 posted on 12/04/2006 6:26:22 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: StoneWall Brigade
The President did not seek a quarrel with the South. When the South challenged the supremacy of federal laws, there could be but one response. At that moment, the die was cast.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

16 posted on 12/04/2006 6:26:38 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jibaholic
If there were really about state's rights, then why is that the Articles of Confederation did not grant states the right to secede?

Err, make that The Constitution of the Confederate States of America.

17 posted on 12/04/2006 6:27:00 PM PST by Jibaholic (Whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets)
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To: Moose4
I'm not as much of a Lincoln-hater as a lot of fellow semi-unreconstructed Confederates--yes, he ran roughshod over the Constitution (suspension of habeas corpus, etc.), and there's no denying that one of the results of the War Of Northern aggression was a massive centralization of Federal power and a consequent reduction in state power. But he wasn't an evil ogre. He did what he thought he had to do to reunite the country--unfortunately, in addition to the good consequences, there have been some unforeseen bad ones as well.

}:-)4

Just had to make that one little correction, LOL

18 posted on 12/04/2006 6:27:18 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: popdonnelly
Yes. The party of treason also restored Jim Crow and racism after Reconstruction. That too has been forgotten by a lot of Americans. Its this same party of treason at work undermining America even today.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

19 posted on 12/04/2006 6:28:03 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Too bad the caller didn't get in a shot about the "malice toward none, and charity for all" crap Honest Abe prattling about while he was telling his generals to burn widows and orphans out of their homes. Or maybe the caller could have asked Rush what he thinks about a man who would sneak off a train, under cover of darkness (and disguise), that he thought would be attacked and leave his unknowing wife and children to ride on into the abyss. And I guess Jefferson's words in the Declaration of Independence about consent of the governed, &c. mean nothing to Rush. (Actually, I know they do mean something to Rush, but if all one has ever learned about the War Between the States was what he learned in high school, then he hasn't learned all there is to know about the War Between the States.)

ML/NJ (Honest Yankee)

20 posted on 12/04/2006 6:28:31 PM PST by ml/nj
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