Posted on 12/04/2006 6:10:06 PM PST by goldstategop
RUSH: John in Shreveport, Louisiana. Hello.
CALLER: Mr. Rush, don't you think you're being a hypocrite when you're not -- when you don't want the Iraqis to decide the problems themselves, especially since Abraham Lincoln took two -- two generals named Lincoln [sic--Grant] and Sherman who were responsible for the deaths of 59,000 southern people? And since you hate Confederate heritage that much, don't you think that we should allow the people of Iraq to decide their own fate?
RUSH: (Laughing.) Gee. I hate Confederate heritage?
CALLER: No kidding.
RUSH: On the basis of what do you say that?
CALLER: Okay, allow me to quote you from 2001: "The American Civil War was the first conflict in human history to set a people free from the bondage of slavery." Your quote, sir.
RUSH: Yeah?
CALLER: And that's not --
RUSH: Well, the point is, we fought --
CALLER: -- power --
RUSH: Are we going to have this argument, Steve?
CALLER: Yes, sir, we are, if you've got the nerve to hold it!
RUSH: I'll have this argument with you any time you want. I've been hearing from you guys since I started this show. I know, it's about states' rights, it was about freedom; it was about independence. But it was about preserving the union -- and Abraham Lincoln knew that you couldn't preserve an America with the institutions defined by our Constitution if one man was allowed to own another.
CALLER: Well, you could not preserve the Constitution as long as you could override it by military power and invasion.
RUSH: Well, there was the preservation of the union that was the number one --
CALLER: How about the preservation of the Constitution, shouldn't that be predominant?
RUSH: Look, you still want to secede? What's your solution?
CALLER: We have no choice, we're under occupation now. The thing about it is you still have to lie about Abraham Lincoln to prove your, to make your point.
RUSH: I'm not lying about Abraham Lincoln. What do you mean, you're still under occupation?
CALLER: Put it this way. The South was not allowed to vote its own way; we're not going to allow Iraq to vote its own government, either.
RUSH: But we did.
CALLER: Do you think we're really abiding by that? What they voted for, we're trying to subvert it by military occupation. No difference than what they did here for 12 years in Louisiana. You don't think we don't see that? You don't think we don't see you as a hypocrite for what you say about, oh, yeah, preserve the union, but let's never mind, let's take away the vote from those who are the voting citizens --
RUSH: I cannot believe this!
CALLER: -- Constitution!
RUSH: I can't believe this. You are taking out your frustrations at having lost the Civil War on me and claiming I'm a hypocrite because of my stance on the Iraq war?
CALLER: Yes, sir.
RUSH: Which I don't even think you know what it is.
CALLER: I don't think you know -- I don't think you know who Abraham Lincoln was.
RUSH: I certainly know who Abraham Lincoln was. He's one of the greatest presidents in the history of the country.
CALLER: Who said that --
RUSH: And it wasn't because he defeated the south. It was because he preserved the union.
CALLER: He preserved the union by trampling the Constitution!
RUSH: He did not trample the Constitution. He suspended habeas corpus. He did do some things I wish Bush would do.
CALLER: Like kill 59,000 innocent civilians?
RUSH: Are you talking about Sherman's march through Atlanta?
CALLER: And -- and -- and Grant's shelling the city of Vicksburg. Hello?
RUSH: It won the war, didn't it? You ever heard of Gettysburg? It won the war and that was the objective. I'll tell you what I wish Bush would do that Lincoln did. Take all these anti-war agitators and send 'em to Canada. Send the National Guard in there. Send Harry Reid over to Baghdad if he's going to be so socially --
CALLER: Like that Ohio Congressman Vallandigham, huh?
RUSH: Absolutely, like that Ohio congressman, that Democrat that was snatched out of his house and sent down to Jefferson Davis, who also didn't want him.
CALLER: Well, at least I got you to acknowledge that.
RUSH: Acknowledge what?
CALLER: Well, the fact that Lincoln did have his secret police who went into people's houses, pulled them out in the middle of the night, and had them -- and had them --
RUSH: You know what? I hope before you die you learn to thank God for Abraham Lincoln.
CALLER: I hope before you die you learn what a racist and a bigot and a power-hungry maniac he was.
RUSH: I'm the racist and the bigot?
CALLER: I didn't say you were. I said he was!
RUSH: Oh. Abraham Lincoln? How in the world you can call a guy who ended slavery a racist and a bigot? I have heard everything now. Everything, in 22 years of hosting this program, I have heard everything.
LOL, pwned
That caller's first mistake was in thinking Rush has anything more than a superficial knowledge of the WBTS. Lincoln is the rightful hero of all who long for executive power answerable to no one. The members of the Lincoln Brigade in the Spanish Civil War understood he was their man. As did two Lincoln admiring journalists covering the WBTS for an English paper, one K Marx and F Engels.
Southern conservaties who care about honoring marriage, the Bible, property ownership, home-rule soveriegnty, and deterring illegal immigration need to look for another party.
Thanks for helping me make that decision Rush.
A fatal flaw from the beginning no matter how hard they tried to paper it over. One generation's compromise becomes another generation's war.
It's funny how President Lincoln is accused of running roughshod over the United States Constitution by the same people who support the guys who threw out that excellent document and replaced it with another of far inferior quality. :p
The big government neocons are doing their best to push grassroots conservatives away. They forget how the South delivered victory for GOP candidates.
Southern conservaties who care about honoring marriage, the Bible, property ownership, home-rule soveriegnty, and deterring illegal immigration need to look for another party.
Thanks for helping me make that decision Rush.
What has Waite done to you? He's an upstanding Southern gentleman who has a wealth of knowledge and some interesting stories. He's been here a long time.
I wouldn't say "far inferior quality" since it was closer to the Constitution than actual implementation of the original in the Union.
Allow ME. Lincoln was a BLOODY TYRANT.
WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, ...
The right of separation is in our psyche. It is an inherent right. What cannot be done is part from a political bond that would reduce the level of freedom in the new entity. New York could end the political bonds if they would give every citizen a gun and require them to wear it, they cannot secede to take away all guns from their citizens. The civil war was necessary to preserve the "three-fifths" status of citizens from "zero-fifths" status. Freedom can only be increased, never decreased.
I'll bet you couldn't tell the difference between the CSA Constitution and the USA Constitution if they were side by side.
LOL, minus that whole enshrinement of slavery thing. :p
I just don't like the term he used Confederate Kook on his web site
Anyway, the South started it. Cry havoc and let loose and all that. They should never have fired on Fort Sumter.
Southern conservaties who care about honoring marriage, the Bible, property ownership, home-rule soveriegnty, and deterring illegal immigration need to look for another party.
Go join the Democrats.
Yer a bit slow on the uptake there, aintcha, son...?
You proceeded to discuss "that particular individual" without a ping.
The South exercised the right of secession and LEFT. Nothing more.
Yes, and the Democratic Party and the GOP have LONG Since switched places.
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